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Pogeymanz
June 2nd, 2009, 05:36 AM
http://www.pcsforeveryone.com/

I've only configured a few computers on there, but for every one, you can actually remove Microsoft Windows! (Saving about $90 US)

I'm probably going to buy a laptop from them... As soon as I collect the funds. That just made my night.

Giant Speck
June 2nd, 2009, 05:45 AM
The whole... site... is nothing but... customizable computers...

I think I have found heaven.

EDIT: Nevermind. Those prices are outrageous! :(

Pogeymanz
June 2nd, 2009, 05:46 AM
The whole... site... is nothing but... customizable computers...

I think I have found heaven.

I know, right?! And you can REALLY customize the desktops. It's like building your own without the work.

kerry_s
June 2nd, 2009, 05:52 AM
way to expensive, i could walk into bestbuy, get a complete set, wipe windows and be good to go for 3 times less.

CharmyBee
June 2nd, 2009, 06:05 AM
way to expensive,
indeed. Starting with that Sempron system, and customizing its video gives it an insanely bloated price over $900 for what you could build with only $200.

Pogeymanz
June 2nd, 2009, 06:14 AM
Wow. That's interesting.

I just built a desktop at Dell.com that was exactly the same specs as one on this site and the prices were:

pcsforeveryone.com: $665
dell.com: $574

The specs were
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo processor E8400 (6MB L2, 3GHz, 1333FSB)
320GB HD @ 7200RPM
2x2GB RAM @ 800Mhz
ATI Radeon HD 4350 512MB

But the pcsforeveryone.com system had a slightly better DVD/CD drive.

I'll see what else I can compare...

Pogeymanz
June 2nd, 2009, 06:29 AM
*double post. Sorry*

I just compared laptops from dell.com and this site and they are extremely comparable, at least at my first try. Dell had more choice on graphics and screens, while pcsforeveryone.com had more choice on processors, HD's, and memory.

The laptops I built, which I attempted to keep as similar as possible came out like this:
http://www.pcsforeveryone.com: $814
dell.com: $874

The main stuff was all the same: processor, ram, HD, graphics chip, wifi, bluetooth.
The dell was a 15.6" screen while the other was 15.4"

Specs:
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo P8600
4GB RAM @ 800Mhz
250GB HD
Intel GMA 4500
Intel Wifi Link 5100

I'm sorry that this site isn't fitting your needs, but I'm not even trying to make this site beat Dell; I'm seriously just looking at stuff I would buy.

Wow. I wasted a lot of my night. I need to go to bed...

Giant Speck
June 2nd, 2009, 06:44 AM
I'm going to see if this beats an HP computer I'm thinking of buying.

I'll report the results in a few minutes.

drawkcab
June 2nd, 2009, 07:03 AM
I've bought my last two notebooks from powernotebooks.com

They will build you an affordable laptop from an MSI or Compal barebones kit and you don't have to install windows. Best deals are on their rebranded power pros because you get a free three-year warranty.

Giant Speck
June 2nd, 2009, 07:16 AM
It seems like a good deal until you get to the two things that matter: a monitor and the operating system.

If you want the system to not have an operating system, then the computers shown on PCs for Everyone are a good deal. However, if you do happen to want Windows installed, it's much more expensive.

Also, the website claims that they will "install the OS that you want in just the way you want it" and yet they do not offer any non-Windows options on the configuration page.

Here is the computer I compared it to, with the equivalent (or near-equivalent) hardware sold by PCs for Everyone:

HP Pavilion a6710t // PCs for Everyone Intel 1000

Operating system:

HP: Windows Vista Home Premium with Service Pack 1
PC: no operating system
Processor:

HP: Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5300 (2.60GHz)
PC: Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5200 (2.50GHz)
Memory:

HP: 3GB DDR2-600MHz (1x2048, 1x1024)
PC: 3GB DDR2-800MHz (1x2048, 1x1024)
Hard Drive:

HP: 500GB 7200 rpm SATA
PC: 500GB 7200 rpm SATA
Graphics Card:

HP: NVIDIA GeForce 9300 256MB
PC: NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS 512MB
Optical Drive:

HP: 16x DVD+/-RW LightScribe SuperMulti
PC: 22x DVD+/-RW Dual Layer LightScribeMonitor:

HP: 18.5" 16:9 HD Ready Widescreen
PC: 19" LCD - 1440 x 900 WXGA+ Price:

HP: $649.98
PC: $636.00

Pogeymanz
June 2nd, 2009, 07:21 AM
Well, I can see that you put more effort into your posts than I do, at least.

See, my basic assumption is that we don't WANT Windows, which is why and how I found this site in the first place. So to me, the PC site seems to be a better deal than the HP site. In fact, I am willing to pay MORE to not have Windows because I don't want Microsoft to think that they got a sale off of me, which I realize is a silly preference of mine, but it is what it is.

Slightly off-topic. I have a Dual Pentium and I recommend just getting the lowest Core 2 Duo instead. I think you'll find that the extra 1MB of L2 cache is worth whatever $50 difference in the long run.

EDIT: Oh, I see what you mean with the monitor, though. It appears that the HP one is probably nicer, being HD ready and all.

Warpnow
June 2nd, 2009, 07:35 AM
There is alot more difference between Dual-Core Pentiums and Core 2 Duo than cache. Its an entirely different chip line.

The core 2 duos are extremely superior.

Giant Speck
June 2nd, 2009, 07:42 AM
See, my basic assumption is that we don't WANT Windows, which is why and how I found this site in the first place. So to me, the PC site seems to be a better deal than the HP site. In fact, I am willing to pay MORE to not have Windows because I don't want Microsoft to think that they got a sale off of me, which I realize is a silly preference of mine, but it is what it is.

See, I like Windows, but that's not my point.

With HP, I can buy a computer that has an operating system already installed on it for cheaper than anything I could buy at PCs for Everyone. If PCs for Everyone would include options for, say, Linux on its configuration pages and upkeep its promise to install whatever OS you want, then I'd have no problem.

And I'm not saying that PCs for Everyone is a rip off. For those that are looking for a system without an operating system, whether it be for convenience or for a general dislike of Windows, then this website is perfect. Many manufacturers (HP, Dell, etc) don't even give you the option to buy the computer without an operating system on it, let alone offer to install Linux on it.

However, for those that like Windows, need Windows, and/or have never heard or like Linux, this website is a bit too expensive. They overcharge for Windows XP and they overcharge for Windows Vista.

Warpnow
June 2nd, 2009, 07:44 AM
When you consider that stores like Fry's will assemble a PC for you for $69, all you have to do is pick out the parts, this is not a good deal.

Giant Speck
June 2nd, 2009, 08:03 AM
When you consider that stores like Fry's will assemble a PC for you for $69, all you have to do is pick out the parts, this is not a good deal.

I don't see that option on their website.

Warpnow
June 2nd, 2009, 08:16 AM
I don't see that option on their website.

To be honest I am not sure if its available online, but there ARE websites that will do this for you.

http://www.ascendtech.us/customkititems.asp?kc=DTMB61PM2X27550

Offers free assembly if you purchase all the parts through them. I've never used their service as such, but have purhcased parts from them before. Their selection is rather limited, though.

Giant Speck
June 2nd, 2009, 08:29 AM
To be honest I am not sure if its available online, but there ARE websites that will do this for you.

http://www.ascendtech.us/customkititems.asp?kc=DTMB61PM2X27550

Offers free assembly if you purchase all the parts through them. I've never used their service as such, but have purhcased parts from them before. Their selection is rather limited, though.

Yeah, they don't offer a lot in terms of hard drive space, too, and the page is hard to understand for people that aren't very familiar with part names, brands, and models.

mousestalker
June 2nd, 2009, 10:29 AM
It seems like a good deal until you get to the two things that matter: a monitor and the operating system.

If you want the system to not have an operating system, then the computers shown on PCs for Everyone are a good deal. However, if you do happen to want Windows installed, it's much more expensive.

Also, the website claims that they will "install the OS that you want in just the way you want it" and yet they do not offer any non-Windows options on the configuration page.

Here is the computer I compared it to, with the equivalent (or near-equivalent) hardware sold by PCs for Everyone:

HP Pavilion a6710t // PCs for Everyone Intel 1000

Operating system:

HP: Windows Vista Home Premium with Service Pack 1
PC: no operating system
Processor:

HP: Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5300 (2.60GHz)
PC: Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5200 (2.50GHz)
Memory:

HP: 3GB DDR2-600MHz (1x2048, 1x1024)
PC: 3GB DDR2-800MHz (1x2048, 1x1024)
Hard Drive:

HP: 500GB 7200 rpm SATA
PC: 500GB 7200 rpm SATA
Graphics Card:

HP: NVIDIA GeForce 9300 256MB
PC: NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS 512MB
Optical Drive:

HP: 16x DVD+/-RW LightScribe SuperMulti
PC: 22x DVD+/-RW Dual Layer LightScribeMonitor:

HP: 18.5" 16:9 HD Ready Widescreen
PC: 19" LCD - 1440 x 900 WXGA+ Price:

HP: $649.98
PC: $636.00


Or you could just build the thing yourself (I admit this is tricker with a laptop), which is cake for a desktop.

I specced out a system that is comparable, but better than either of the two above at Newegg. Total cost, plus shipping: $558.12. I think if I were to give it serious thought, there's at least $75.00 in savings that could be squeezed out by choosing items for rebates, changing vendors, localing sourcing the case and taking advantage of combo deals.

Here are the components: CPU (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115206), motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157115), memory (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231122), power supply (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817339009), graphics card (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814141090), monitor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254034), hard drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152137), case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042), and dvd burner (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151171).

I daresay almost anyone could build a better computer than above for less by shopping carefully.

I'd estimate my total build time once all the components arrive to be less than an hour.

a2z
June 2nd, 2009, 11:11 AM
It seems like a good deal until you get to the two things that matter: a monitor and the operating system.

If you want the system to not have an operating system, then the computers shown on PCs for Everyone are a good deal. However, if you do happen to want Windows installed, it's much more expensive.

Also, the website claims that they will "install the OS that you want in just the way you want it" and yet they do not offer any non-Windows options on the configuration page.

Here is the computer I compared it to, with the equivalent (or near-equivalent) hardware sold by PCs for Everyone:

HP Pavilion a6710t // PCs for Everyone Intel 1000

Operating system:

HP: Windows Vista Home Premium with Service Pack 1
PC: no operating system
Processor:

HP: Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5300 (2.60GHz)
PC: Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5200 (2.50GHz)
Memory:

HP: 3GB DDR2-600MHz (1x2048, 1x1024)
PC: 3GB DDR2-800MHz (1x2048, 1x1024)
Hard Drive:

HP: 500GB 7200 rpm SATA
PC: 500GB 7200 rpm SATA
Graphics Card:

HP: NVIDIA GeForce 9300 256MB
PC: NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS 512MB
Optical Drive:

HP: 16x DVD+/-RW LightScribe SuperMulti
PC: 22x DVD+/-RW Dual Layer LightScribeMonitor:

HP: 18.5" 16:9 HD Ready Widescreen
PC: 19" LCD - 1440 x 900 WXGA+ Price:

HP: $649.98
PC: $636.00


You didn't mention a case. My case was expensive $200 !!
Without a good case, you'd might as well scrap the entire system in a couple years. Heat wears & tears as well as slows processes. thinking of turning my full tower into an ac unit ;) (http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/613)

Pogeymanz
June 2nd, 2009, 03:31 PM
There is alot more difference between Dual-Core Pentiums and Core 2 Duo than cache. Its an entirely different chip line.

The core 2 duos are extremely superior.

Google says otherwise. Dual-Core Pentiums are just gimped-down versions of C2D.

Warpnow
June 2nd, 2009, 04:07 PM
Google says otherwise. Dual-Core Pentiums are just gimped-down versions of C2D.

There are the low end "Dual-Core" Intels, with version numbers similar to the Core2Duo line, then there are that Pentium Dual Core (ie, Pentium D), which are entirely different. I was referring to the second one. Not truly away which is being discussed, hehe.



Yeah, they don't offer a lot in terms of hard drive space, too, and the page is hard to understand for people that aren't very familiar with part names, brands, and models.


I'll cede that its tailored to people who know alot about computers, but, they offer 1 tb hard drives, so I don't know what more you can ask for. :-p

Warpnow
June 2nd, 2009, 04:09 PM
You didn't mention a case. My case was expensive $200 !!
Without a good case, you'd might as well scrap the entire system in a couple years. Heat wears & tears as well as slows processes. thinking of turning my full tower into an ac unit ;) (http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/613)

Heh, okay...well...I'll go ahead and disagree with you. My temps in a $20 case are all below 40c, which is well within a range that won't damage my computer parts.

You only need that extra cooling if you are overclocking, in which you are making the cpu run hotter than it is meant to.

Therion
June 2nd, 2009, 04:21 PM
I have to agree their prices are bit painful, at least for someone familiar with rolling their own. Still, what you're paying for is the tech-skill of assembly, knowing that all the parts are compatible and of course a warranty. If you're assembly challenged, want a customized rig and have the bucks to spend on it, this would a great place to turn to. The parts they offer are quite good from what I can tell, and overall system configurability is damn near endless.