Thinking of going back to Windows

[ade234uk]

Im sorry but I just miss the Spyware and Viruses so much that I may have to go back to Windows. I mean the Spyware and Viruses just seem to work straight out of the box in Windows without any user intervention which is something the developers of Linux really need to sort out in the future. I am far more productive.

Are there any help pages on getting Viruses and Spyware to work grrrrr so frustrating?

Everything is so damn difficult in Linux.

Also where is the defrag button. I have spent the last 10 minutes looking for it. At least in Windows you can defrag your hard drive?

Also I hate this Konquerer browser it does not render webpages properly. When I do the acid2 test in Internet Explorer it works great I mean this test is meant to show a serious of rectangles not a bloody smiley face. Something is seriously wrong with Konquerer.

Also I expect to see at 20 icons to appear at start up, but all I am getting is about 2 in my taskbar at the moment. This is making my machine boot way too fast for my liking. At least in Windows it allows everything to load up correctly before commencing my work.

And finally why is there no registry in Linux. If Linux wants to be taken seriously by business it needs to have a registry system.
I mean Why can't the developers of Linux create a registry system after all it wont take long. I really miss checking for registry errors everyday.

God Microsoft are brilliant I love them at least all my things work.

Did you know they invented the GUI before anyone else did. They also where the first people to create TCP/IP and then the Internet, I love them so much they are brilliant.

Oh **** I cant install Windows now, what has this evil Linux done. I may have to take my unit to PC World they are the dogz bollox and know everthing there is know about Windows and should easily be able to remove it.

[BoyOfDestiny]

Im sorry but I just miss the Spyware and Viruses so much that I may have to go back to Windows. I mean the Spyware and Viruses just seem to work straight out of the box in Windows without any user intervention which is something the developers of Linux really need to sort out in the future. I am far more productive.

Are there any help pages on getting Viruses and Spyware to work grrrrr so frustrating?

Everything is so damn difficult in Linux.

Also where is the defrag button. I have spent the last 10 minutes looking for it. At least in Windows you can defrag your hard drive?

Also I hate this Konquerer browser it does not render webpages properly. When I do the acid2 test in Internet Explorer it works great I mean this test is meant to show a serious of rectangles not a bloody smiley face. Something is seriously wrong with Konquerer.

Also I expect to see at 20 icons to appear at start up, but all I am getting is about 2 in my taskbar at the moment. This is making my machine boot way too fast for my liking. At least in Windows it allows everything to load up correctly before commencing my work.

And finally why is there no registry in Linux. If Linux wants to be taken seriously by business it needs to have a registry system.
I mean Why can't the developers of Linux create a registry system after all it wont take long. I really miss checking for registry errors everyday.

God Microsoft are brilliant I love them at least all my things work.

Did you know they invented the GUI before anyone else did. They also where the first people to create TCP/IP and then the Internet, I love them so much they are brilliant.

Oh **** I cant install Windows now, what has this evil Linux done. I may have to take my unit to PC World they are the dogz bollox and know everthing there is know about Windows and should easily be able to remove it.

Aww... Have you tried using WINE (preferably on a fat32 partition if that's possible, then you can try defraging too). If you download internet explorer and surf a little bit you should get some spyware... At least cookies that track you online. Who here doesn't like cookies... Then you can go ahead and install adaware and clamav and scan over and over.

[AMD64_N_Linux]

If you feel really lonely for Windows, just install or activate the BSOD screensaver in Linux, then you will feel all warm and .....


Aw no, ah just peed my pants........:smile:

[gravediggers]

Also where is the defrag button. I have spent the last 10 minutes looking for it. At least in Windows you can defrag your hard drive?


Yeah! it gives you something to do while your waiting for your windows program to open!!

[tseliot]

Im sorry but I just miss the Spyware and Viruses so much that I may have to go back to Windows. I mean the Spyware and Viruses just seem to work straight out of the box in Windows without any user intervention which is something the developers of Linux really need to sort out in the future. I am far more productive.

Are there any help pages on getting Viruses and Spyware to work grrrrr so frustrating?

Everything is so damn difficult in Linux.

Also where is the defrag button. I have spent the last 10 minutes looking for it. At least in Windows you can defrag your hard drive?

Also I hate this Konquerer browser it does not render webpages properly. When I do the acid2 test in Internet Explorer it works great I mean this test is meant to show a serious of rectangles not a bloody smiley face. Something is seriously wrong with Konquerer.

Also I expect to see at 20 icons to appear at start up, but all I am getting is about 2 in my taskbar at the moment. This is making my machine boot way too fast for my liking. At least in Windows it allows everything to load up correctly before commencing my work.

And finally why is there no registry in Linux. If Linux wants to be taken seriously by business it needs to have a registry system.
I mean Why can't the developers of Linux create a registry system after all it wont take long. I really miss checking for registry errors everyday.

God Microsoft are brilliant I love them at least all my things work.

Did you know they invented the GUI before anyone else did. They also where the first people to create TCP/IP and then the Internet, I love them so much they are brilliant.

Oh **** I cant install Windows now, what has this evil Linux done. I may have to take my unit to PC World they are the dogz bollox and know everthing there is know about Windows and should easily be able to remove it.
Mmm... I think there is a workaround to your problems: try to remove some important files in your "/" and perhaps you'll be able to reproduce the functioning of Windows.

[BoyOfDestiny]

Mmm... I think there is a workaround to your problems: try to remove some important files in your "/" and perhaps you'll be able to reproduce the functioning of Windows.

You know what would be even better... Instead edit the files with a hex editor. Nothing like changing random bytes here and there... GHex is in the repos! :)

[Zotova]

Im sorry but I just miss the Spyware and Viruses so much that I may have to go back to Windows.

I must admit I do honestly miss hunting for spyware. It was a satisfying feeling knowing you had managed to keep the computer junk free. Viruses, I never got any, it is peoples own fault for opening stupid emails and files imho

Also I expect to see at 20 icons to appear at start up, but all I am getting is about 2 in my taskbar at the moment. This is making my machine boot way too fast for my liking.

I highly doubt that considering I have another laptop with xp on it - that boots in half the time than my ubuntu laptop and is embarrassingly actually a slower spec model. When I say boot I also mean fully loaded with a Firefox window open and ready to browse.

I mean Why can't the developers of Linux create a registry system after all it wont take long. I really miss checking for registry errors everyday.

No, but you could check programs every day, who knows installing that new version of Firefox last night might have broken half your other apps as well.

[pdk001]

i miss linux so i came linux back last day

[AMD64_N_Linux]

but those of you arguing that windows is in ANY way better than linux, will concede that having a CHOICE, is a good thing ?

Will you concede that ?

I choose to use this terrible old liinux system, and you choose to spend hundreds of dollars for ,,,,,,,,

Freedom of Choice, a GREAT thing.

[tseliot]

but those of you arguing that windows is in ANY way better than linux, will concede that having a CHOICE, is a good thing ?

Will you concede that ?

I choose to use this terrible old liinux system, and you choose to spend hundreds of dollars for ,,,,,,,,

Freedom of Choice, a GREAT thing.
Those are Holy words.

Your choice depends on your personal taste, your needs, etc.

The BEST OS doesn't exist. Only the best OS for me for you or anyone else exists. The best OS for me might be the worst for you and vice versa.

This means both OS and Distro wars are kind of useless.

[greenway]

Mmm... I think there is a workaround to your problems: try to remove some important files in your "/" and perhaps you'll be able to reproduce the functioning of Windows.

Nice one dude!

[AMD64_N_Linux]

Those are Holy words.

Your choice depends on your personal taste, your needs, etc.

The BEST OS doesn't exist. Only the best OS for me for you or anyone else exists. The best OS for me might be the worst for you and vice versa.

This means both OS and Distro wars are kind of useless.
But if Bill Gates, and all his CRONIES , some who may be hanging around here, would prefer that there never had been a linux.

I remember Steve Balmer claiming that Linux was UnAmerican, all linux users were socialist, and that anyone that used linux was going to bring ruin upon us all.

My point, is that there are still plenty of MS BS Agents out there, and apparently here, that will try to denegrate Linux whenever they get the chance,

I say that they should exercise their freedom of choice, spend their money, and make Billy Boy Gates a richer man.

After all, PJ Barnhem said it best, "There is a sucker born every minute"

[tseliot]

But if Bill Gates, and all his CRONIES , some who may be hanging around here, would prefer that there never had been a linux.

I remember Steve Balmer claiming that Linux was UnAmerican, all linux users were socialist, and that anyone that used linux was going to bring ruin upon us all.

My point, is that there are still plenty of MS BS Agents out there, and apparently here, that will try to denegrate Linux whenever they get the chance,

I say that they should exercise their freedom of choice, spend their money, and make Billy Boy Gates a richer man.

After all, PJ Barnhem said it best, "There is a sucker born every minute"
Microsoft would never say that GNU/Linux is better than Windows or that GNU/Linux might be a good choice. They don't want you to have the best Os for you but they only want to sell their product and their truth.

Furthermore I don't get the reason behind Microsoft's anger towards Linux if Windows is better. And today there's no freedom of choice when you buy a new PC because most PCs come with Windows preinstalled.

[Stormy Eyes]

And today there's no freedom of choice when you buy a new PC because most PCs come with Windows preinstalled.

Dude, the PC makers tell you up front that their machines come with Linux pre-loaded. Ever hear of caveat emptor? Would you bitch at Ford if they made all of their cars use automatic transmission so that you had to install a manual transmission yourself if you wanted one? Let's see some responsibility here: you know that Dell sells their machines with Windows pre-installed. If you don't want Windows, then why are you buying from Dell? Yes, it is possible to get a generic laptop that doesn't have Windows pre-loaded; they're just expensive.

[tseliot]

Dude, the PC makers tell you up front that their machines come with Linux pre-loaded. Ever hear of caveat emptor? Would you bitch at Ford if they made all of their cars use automatic transmission so that you had to install a manual transmission yourself if you wanted one? Let's see some responsibility here: you know that Dell sells their machines with Windows pre-installed. If you don't want Windows, then why are you buying from Dell? Yes, it is possible to get a generic laptop that doesn't have Windows pre-loaded; they're just expensive.
Yes, I know that but I would like to see a manufacturer who gives the possibility of choosing which OS to preinstall (of course among 2-3 OSes).
For example The Winxp version of this portable is 900$, the Ubuntu version 600$, Suse version 700, etc.

In this way we could spend less money and get what we want.

There should be at least 1 open source distro (therefore completely free). In this way if you want another distro (or OS) you can install it yourself but at least you haven't paid for something you didn't want.

Yes, I know it's only a dream... I'll keep on paying Microsoft (for my next portable computer) for its OS which I won't be using.

[Stormy Eyes]

Yes, I know that but I would like to see a manufacturer who gives the possibility of choosing which OS to preinstall (of course among 2-3 OSes).
For example The Winxp version of this portable is 900$, the Ubuntu version 600$, Suse version 700, etc.

It won't happen, because it's not in Microsoft's interest to offer discounts on Windows to PC makers that offer a choice of operating systems. Dell, HP, and the like won't insist on such terms because the loss of the OEM discount would kill their profits.

[AMD64_N_Linux]

Dude, the PC makers tell you up front that their machines come with Linux pre-loaded. Ever hear of caveat emptor? Would you bitch at Ford if they made all of their cars use automatic transmission so that you had to install a manual transmission yourself if you wanted one?.
First of all, Bitching is when you moan, whine and complain, but DO absolutely nothing to resolve the issue. Pointing out that monopolist and convicted criminals like MS and their cronies that do not want you to have a choice is informing others that such is the case, and then I always point out that they do have a choice.

PCs that come with Linux loaded upfront, were not even POSSIBLE just a few years ago. That is why MS and Bill Gates were found guilty, of violating anti-trust laws. SOME companies have started coming around, and some still have their noses a nice shade of Billy Boy ******* Brown.

Same thing goes for Intel.

For a long time, manufacturers REFUSED to build with AMD. Such is not the case now.


Let's see some responsibility here: you know that Dell sells their machines with Windows pre-installed. If you don't want Windows, then why are you buying from Dell?
That is exactly why I dont buy Dells, and dont recommend Dells. They have that "nose thing" going on.

Yes, it is possible to get a generic laptop that doesn't have Windows pre-loaded; they're just expensive.
And while I have possessed and used many Manufactured PCs, I have NEVER bought one. AS a matter of fact, the little firewall box I have right now is on old compaq, stripped down to bare essentials, running linux off of a floppy.

I am very proud to say that every NEW PC I have owned, has been home built. The first one was a real renegade, a AMD K6-133, a whopping 16 MB RAM, a Trident SVGA with 4MB (upgraded from 2 MB), a USR 14.4k Modem,,,,,,


Damn, PCs have come a long way in the last several years.

[Azion]

It takes a while to get used to Linux.

Stick with it, it has it's advantages

[jaywatkins]

Are you serious?

Windows XP has to be the most constipated piece of bloat-ware ever to come out of Redmond. The more I use XP, the more I realize how bad it is!

On the other hand, I cannot say anything great about Ubuntu. I really can't get it to do anything besides browse the web. If you can find any decent documentation, it just doesn't work. I have tries numerous examples, and not a one works! At least Microsoft's docs work from time to time.

Pro's and Con's

Ubuntu: free, loaded with features (If you can install them!), decent with hardware, low hardware footprint, buggier than a roach motel, poor poor poor docs., Next to Debian the most user-adverse distro (The live-eval even sucks!).

Windows XP: 300.00$ Retail, 200.00$ upgrade, small feature set, large install base, larger support base, secure as a see-through plastic bag, dismal performance when compared to it's predecessor (2000), K-Mart interface.

Push comes to shove, I like choice, and I like free. Despite the incredibly high suck factor, Ubuntu smokes Windows XP in numerous categories. I have to install antivirus on XP, while I can't seem to install antivirus on Ubuntu, but then again I do not need it. Ubuntu is free, and I thank those folks who developed it, and made it available. If you don't like it, don't use it. That is why I use Fedora, SuSE, or Mac OS X (The king of all O.S').

-J

[aysiu]

Yes, I know that but I would like to see a manufacturer who gives the possibility of choosing which OS to preinstall (of course among 2-3 OSes).
For example The Winxp version of this portable is 900$, the Ubuntu version 600$, Suse version 700, etc. Microtel (http://www.microtelpc.com) lets you choose whether you want to buy a Linux desktop or a Windows desktop. They used to let you do the same for laptops, too, but I don't know what happened.

For more Linux-preloaded options, you may want to check these out, too:
http://www.koobox.com/
http://system76.com/
http://www.emperorlinux.com/


I highly doubt that considering I have another laptop with xp on it - that boots in half the time than my ubuntu laptop and is embarrassingly actually a slower spec model. When I say boot I also mean fully loaded with a Firefox window open and ready to browse. I agree. Linux in general and Ubuntu specifically have a lot of things to recommend them, but a faster boot time than Windows XP is not one of them. My Ubuntu takes almost twice as long to boot as my Windows XP on the same computer (same criteria--from the boot selection to a usable Firefox window).

[dalani]

Seriously, if anyone wanted to switch back to MS it would be a very expensive proposition. One reason I use Linux is because I OWN the Install disks which I can use on my machines anytime to do a fresh install. With MS, it is next to impossible to have fresh from scratch O.S.installation CDs without spending hundreds of dollars. And tha't assuming you can find the damn things for sale legally.

[Hitchhiker427]

Are you serious?

Windows XP has to be the most constipated piece of bloat-ware ever to come out of Redmond. The more I use XP, the more I realize how bad it is!

On the other hand, I cannot say anything great about Ubuntu. I really can't get it to do anything besides browse the web. If you can find any decent documentation, it just doesn't work. I have tries numerous examples, and not a one works! At least Microsoft's docs work from time to time.

Pro's and Con's

Ubuntu: free, loaded with features (If you can install them!), decent with hardware, low hardware footprint, buggier than a roach motel, poor poor poor docs., Next to Debian the most user-adverse distro (The live-eval even sucks!).

Windows XP: 300.00$ Retail, 200.00$ upgrade, small feature set, large install base, larger support base, secure as a see-through plastic bag, dismal performance when compared to it's predecessor (2000), K-Mart interface.

Push comes to shove, I like choice, and I like free. Despite the incredibly high suck factor, Ubuntu smokes Windows XP in numerous categories. I have to install antivirus on XP, while I can't seem to install antivirus on Ubuntu, but then again I do not need it. Ubuntu is free, and I thank those folks who developed it, and made it available. If you don't like it, don't use it. That is why I use Fedora, SuSE, or Mac OS X (The king of all O.S').

-J


Wow, you must really suck with computers. I'm new to Linux, and I can get Ubuntu to do everything I need (I'm an engineer doing simulations and calculations, so no, not just browsing the net). The only problems I've encountered are not "bugs" but rather user error because I'm new, and everything's been easy to fix... if you're having that much trouble on Ubuntu, maybe you shouldn't be around computers.

Also, your claims towards XP are just ignorant. "secure as a see-through bag"? "dismal in performance when compared to its predecessor"? Christ! I've been running XP for years now with only a few problems here and there. No virii, no spyware, no trojans, etc. Turn on the default firewall, install a decent AV, and use a decent browser (I use firefox). Pow! secure enough for a common user.

But, then again, you're touting OSX, so I guess that says enough about your computer know-how.

[potrick]

never mind

[DigitalDuality]

Seriously, if anyone wanted to switch back to MS it would be a very expensive proposition. One reason I use Linux is because I OWN the Install disks which I can use on my machines anytime to do a fresh install. With MS, it is next to impossible to have fresh from scratch O.S.installation CDs without spending hundreds of dollars. And tha't assuming you can find the damn things for sale legally.
If somebody is "going back to Windows" that's telling me they probably have an install disc somewhere. Taking they installed it themselves...rather than a pre-install on a machine. Even then..alot of systems (HP, Dell, etc) have "system restore discs" that put everything back to the way it was the day you bought it.. crappy pre-installed apps you don't need and all.

[DigitalDuality]

Wow, you must really suck with computers. I'm new to Linux, and I can get Ubuntu to do everything I need (I'm an engineer doing simulations and calculations, so no, not just browsing the net). The only problems I've encountered are not "bugs" but rather user error because I'm new, and everything's been easy to fix... if you're having that much trouble on Ubuntu, maybe you shouldn't be around computers.

Also, your claims towards XP are just ignorant. "secure as a see-through bag"? "dismal in performance when compared to its predecessor"? Christ! I've been running XP for years now with only a few problems here and there. No virii, no spyware, no trojans, etc. Turn on the default firewall, install a decent AV, and use a decent browser (I use firefox). Pow! secure enough for a common user.

But, then again, you're touting OSX, so I guess that says enough about your computer know-how.
Not attempting to start a flame war... and i'll agree with you on the XP parts and Ubuntu's ease of use. But how are you going to call someone ignorant for their comments about XP, and then smack them with that comment on OS X?

XP and OS X are both stable, easy to use operating systems..and OS X incorporates ALOT of 'nix features, is stable, and remains just as spyware and virus free as a linux box.

Just thought i'd point out the hypocrisy. No need to be so harsh when dolling out criticsm.

[aysiu]

I've been running XP for years now with only a few problems here and there. No virii, no spyware, no trojans, etc. Turn on the default firewall, install a decent AV, and use a decent browser (I use firefox). Pow! secure enough for a common user. I know plenty of Windows users who have a firewall, up-to-date anti-virus, and Firefox, and they still get spyware and adware on their computers. Sorry, but your personal computer's infection rate isn't the standard for most Windows computers.


But, then again, you're touting OSX, so I guess that says enough about your computer know-how. I don't know what this statement's supposed to mean. OS X has a much better security model than Windows' default. In fact, OS X is *nix-based and uses the same sudo model that Ubuntu itself uses.

[Iandefor]

Open up the kernel in a hex editor and go to town! Then, it'll function as well as the Windows Kernel. Need spyware? Run IE in WINE!

[Hitchhiker427]

Well, I guess sorry for the OSX remark. I wasn't insulting the security. For the sudo usage, that pretty good. I was talking more over-all. I've used OSX enough to get a feel for it, and I just have a hard time seeing it as much more than a toy. And my remark wasn't to neccessarily insult OSX, but rather the fact that he would heavily critisize Ubuntu and Windows and praise OSX shows his computer know-how. I mean, he can't get Ubuntu or Windows (both very easy to use operating systems) to work correctly, yet praises OSX. He just sounds like another fanboy to me, regardless of his acknowledgment of other linux distros.

And, as far as my Windows experience as far as virii and spyware go, I stand by my statement. I have fixed enough Windows computers in my time to realize that most of the security problems are the users themselves. People install things that they shouldn't. I belive by nature that any *nix OS is built to be more secure than Windows, however, a Windows computer can be stable enough for an average user no problem. And, I also believe that if Ubuntu became as mainstream as Windows, then we would be hearing remarks about Ubuntu being insecure.. but not because it is (because it isn't) but because people would willingly install software with malicious intent and blame any problems on the OS. But, that's how it goes.

[aysiu]

I mean, he can't get Ubuntu or Windows (both very easy to use operating systems) to work correctly, yet praises OSX. He just sounds like another fanboy to me, regardless of his acknowledgment of other linux distros. This makes sense, though. OS X is designed specifically to work on the hardware it uses and vice versa. The beauty and ugliness of Macs are in the software-hardware interlocking.


I also believe that if Ubuntu became as mainstream as Windows, then we would be hearing remarks about Ubuntu being insecure.. but not because it is (because it isn't) but because people would willingly install software with malicious intent and blame any problems on the OS. But, that's how it goes. But the two compound each other in Windows--bad default design and ignorant users.

[Hitchhiker427]

yes, I totally agree with both of those points.

As for the "locked into hardware" remark. This is a good point because of drivers. I mean, it'll just "work" without too much hassle. But, for an engineer like me, this doesn't cut it. I want to be able to customize each part of the computer to MY needs, and not be locked in. But, on this, for each his/her own.

And, yeah, the problem is compounded in Windows because of just that. But, the problem is, people don't see it as such. They just see the result (loads of spyware/virii) and blame everything on the OS, and totally ignore the fact that they're just as too blame. If you make a system that automatically secures itself and stops the user from doing stupid things, people critisize it for getting in their way. Yet, if it doesn't, then people blame the OS for letting them screw things up.

[aysiu]

As for the "locked into hardware" remark. This is a good point because of drivers. I mean, it'll just "work" without too much hassle. But, for an engineer like me, this doesn't cut it. I want to be able to customize each part of the computer to MY needs, and not be locked in. But, on this, for each his/her own. In all fairness, though, OS X allows more customization than before, seeing as how you can tinker with the *nix-like shell.


And, yeah, the problem is compounded in Windows because of just that. But, the problem is, people don't see it as such. They just see the result (loads of spyware/virii) and blame everything on the OS, and totally ignore the fact that they're just as too blame. Unfortunately, there's nothing to stop people from clicking without reading or clicking phishy attachments or going to a phishing webpage...

Education is only half the solution. Willpower is the other half.

[DigitalDuality]

Well, I guess sorry for the OSX remark. I wasn't insulting the security. For the sudo usage, that pretty good. I was talking more over-all. I've used OSX enough to get a feel for it, and I just have a hard time seeing it as much more than a toy. .
Run a streaming server on X Serv and tell me it's a toy. I haven't seen many OSes that do so, so very smoothly, user-friendly, AND secure.

Also

G5
Two dual-core 2.5GHz PowerPC G5 processors
1.25GHz frontside bus per processor
1MB L2 cache per core
512MB of 533MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-4200)
250GB Serial ATA hard drive
16x SuperDrive (double-layer)
Three open PCI-Express expansion slots
NVIDIA GeForce 6600 with 256MB GDDR SDRAM
Image

Doesn't sound like a toy to me.