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BWF89
January 12th, 2006, 09:23 PM
Opinions vary on how to preserve data on digital storage media, such as optical CDs and DVDs. Kurt Gerecke, a physicist and storage expert at IBM Deutschland, has his own view: If you want to avoid having to burn new CDs every few years, use magnetic tapes to store all your pictures, videos and songs for a lifetime.

"Unlike pressed original CDs, burned CDs have a relatively short life span of between two to five years, depending on the quality of the CD," Gerecke says. "There are a few things you can do to extend the life of a burned CD, like keeping the disc in a cool, dark space, but not a whole lot more."

The problem is material degradation. Optical discs commonly used for burning, such as CD-R and CD-RW, have a recording surface consisting of a layer of dye that can be modified by heat to store data. The degradation process can result in the data "shifting" on the surface and thus becoming unreadable to the laser beam.

"Many of the cheap burnable CDs available at discount stores have a life span of around two years," Gerecke says. "Some of the better-quality discs offer a longer life span, of a maximum of five years."

Distinguishing high-quality burnable CDs from low-quality discs is difficult, he says, because few vendors use life span as a selling point.

Similar Limitations

Hard-drive disks also have their limitations, according to Gerecke. The problem with hard drives, he says, is not so much the disk itself as it is the disk bearing, which has a positioning function similar to a ball bearing. "If the hard drive uses an inexpensive disk bearing, that bearing will wear out faster than a more expensive one," he says. His recommendation: a hard-drive disk with 7200 revolutions per minute.

To overcome the preservation limitations of burnable CDs, Gerecke suggests using magnetic tapes, which, he claims, can have a life span of 30 years to 100 years, depending on their quality. "Even if magnetic tapes are also subject to degradation, they're still the superior storage media," he says.

But he's quick to point out that no storage medium lasts forever and, consequently, consumers and business alike need to have a migration plan to new storage technologies.

"Companies, in particular, need to be constantly looking at new storage technologies and have an archiving strategy that allows them to automatically migrate to new technologies," he says. "Otherwise, they're going to wind up in a dead-end. And for those sitting on terabytes of crucial data, that could be a colossal problem."
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Mr_Grieves
January 12th, 2006, 09:44 PM
This is a big problem the world are facing. Alot of priceless things like music, family pictures and etc could be lost for ever. In 100 years, perhaps they'll wonder what the hell the people in the beging of the 21th centrury was doing.

BoyOfDestiny
January 12th, 2006, 10:04 PM
Well the 5 year thing is b.s. Since I actually burned some cds 10 years ago (at least I think it was could be 8 or 9 years ago... it had files created in 96 though).
I actually found it lying around... and am still using it. As it's a cdrw (I have dapper on it right now).

However, the fact that a lot of culture will be lost is true. With much of my stuff I move it from one media to another, and make redundant copies.

With copy protection garbage, and now DRM, this can essentially lock out the content forever. Hopefully some exceptions will be made, i.e, allow reverse-engineering for personal use such as a back up (or god forbid view the content). As things are, there are many cases where this is "illegal".

Even when all the copyright b.s expires, these protections will still be in place. Emulation and cracks will be needed for things that were binary only... As is the case now with my DOS games (although I can name 2 that had their source released, but that's it).

Some which I hadn't been able to play for about 12 years due to my hardware... Is now more easily played in DOSBox than on the original hardware it required. :)

Kurt Dodrill
January 12th, 2006, 11:51 PM
it really does depend on how to store your cdrs. kept in at room temperature, in dry spaces, they can last a long time. alot of my cdrs in my car rotted because in gets really damp on the floor for some reason. it also depends on the quality. the nonamed brands can start rotting no matter where you put them for no reason. for vaulable storage i would recommend usb sticks, something with no moving parts. or storing it online with a company who is wellknown for their hosting, then it is their responsiblity for keeping backups of everything so I would doubt you would ever loose it. multiple copies always help.

shutupimpoor
May 7th, 2006, 10:15 AM
ok i work for a cd duplication company, so i know a bit on the subject. the average cd-r has a lifespan of 50 years (assuming you don't break it). as far as "name brand" cd-rs go... a lot of name brand companies buy their cds from the non name-brand companies and just put their logo on it (can't remember the example but i think ritek and memorex are the same, don't hold me to it)

ubuntu_demon
May 7th, 2006, 11:23 AM
ok i work for a cd duplication company, so i know a bit on the subject. the average cd-r has a lifespan of 50 years (assuming you don't break it). as far as "name brand" cd-rs go... a lot of name brand companies buy their cds from the non name-brand companies and just put their logo on it (can't remember the example but i think ritek and memorex are the same, don't hold me to it)
50 year before you burn anything on it I pressume ?

Mr.Auer
May 7th, 2006, 11:35 AM
I have a lot of experience on removable media..From cassettes on the C64, to floppies on said machine, to 3.5" diskettes with Atari ST, to burnable cd's, then to DVDs..
My magnetic medias from 20 years ago are still mostly readable at the least, but many of the diskettes refuse to work for writing anymore..I think the magnetic layer cant be repolarized anymore..And some disks, both floppies and 3.5, have failed..Maybe 2-10% fail rate.

Then I have hundreds of burned cd's, oldest from maybe 6 years ago? I always buy brands like TDK and Verbatim mostly, also some Sony etc, no cheapobrands at all..The oldest ones have been burned on a very good Plextor writer, which has never failed burns originally..
Now the fail rate of oldest cd's is the same as with my oldest floppies..at least 5%, if not 10%..Also many dvdś that are just 2-3 years old wont work anymore. And I keep them in a dark, cool closet, protected from light. Also ive heard many archives who need to be sure the data is safe re-burn their backups every 5 years on new media..

It is no joke that todays optical media fails quickly..That 5 years means that most discs should be good at least 5 years, but what I see happening to my older discs is that the over 5 year ones are starting to bug out..Definitely.

Stew2
May 7th, 2006, 12:25 PM
I have heard that DVD-R's degrade faster than CD-R's because the tracks are written so much closer together. I dont know if it is true or not but I have one DVD that is only about a year and a half old and it quit working. I do have a five year old in the house though so that could be a contributing factor :D. Does this mean that we will have to start backing up our pictures on paper so they last longer? ;) (just kidding :D )