Kde 4

[awakatanka]

I was reading a bit about kde 4 and its new feauture, i must say its promising.

Plasma looks cool and also has some nice feature in it.

http://plasma.kde.org/cms/1029

Also something else i saw and think that a very good thing

http://solid.kde.org/cms/1058

Probably something like that already excist but remember i'm just a n00b that just started to explore linux and i like kde atm more then gnome.

Is there any info on other gui's and there future releases? And what do you all think about kde 4 with the little info there is? ( if someone has more site with some more info plz post link ;) )

[xequence]

I think KDE is going in a direction that reminds me of OSX, linuxified.

Now, it can be a bad or a good thing.

That, or its going in a good direction and I somehow compare that to OSX because it looks cool.

[maruchan]

There has certainly been a lot of buzz around KDE's future and Aaron Seigo lately. I follow both planet.gnome.org and planetkde.org and I have to say I hear more "futurism" coming from the KDE crowd.

Anyway, Open Source development in general has gotten a lot more "trendy" lately (seems to be a general curve the entire software dev community is following), to the point where you see lots of developers caring about user interface issues, graphic design, etc.

I'd like to know if I've missed articles/websites on GNOME's future. Anybody have links?

[Derek Djons]

In my opinion KDE has always been a leap ahead of Gnome when you give these two boys a number for design. You can probably tweak more out of Gnome using apps but that isn't the reason why I chose to use Gnome.

I'm one of those users where usability easily goes above appearance. Gnome for me, is the perfect Desktop which offers me the largest workspace, cuts crap from shiny useless fader effects. It's also light and consumes less resources than KDE.

But then again, Gnome is perfect for me.

[awakatanka]

In my opinion KDE has always been a leap ahead of Gnome when you give these two boys a number for design. You can probably tweak more out of Gnome using apps but that isn't the reason why I chose to use Gnome.

I'm one of those users where usability easily goes above appearance. Gnome for me, is the perfect Desktop which offers me the largest workspace, cuts crap from shiny useless fader effects. It's also light and consumes less resources than KDE.

But then again, Gnome is perfect for me.. But i also hear that kde 4 will reduce the resources even more. I'm also a fan of eye candy and i think kde has that a little better.Also the devolper have a open mind for things. They easly adept good prgs to be a kde standaard prg if it has proven it self.

But im new to this all and need to read alot so i could be wrong.

[JimmyJazz]

I really like KDE projects they tend to be much more "in touch" with average users needs but the main problem is most of my favorite apps (the Gimp, Inkscape, ect...) are more Gnome native and work quite slowly in KDE :(

[poofyhairguy]

KDE 4 sounds good for three reasons to me:

1. Plasma.. Nuff said.

2. KDE is already a six months to a year ahead of Gnome when it comes to using the new composite Xorg stuff. I assume KDE 4 will increase the gap. Gnome is FAR to conservative when it comes to these things me thinks.

3. It seems with KDE 4 those in charge are finally willing to tackle the "klutter" issues KDE has now. It seems the 3.x series tried to get as komplicated as possible interfacewise, almost as a reaction to Gnome 2.x "idiotfying" its interface. All I read tells me with KDE 4 they are beginning to agree that KDE has a few problems in that area that need fixing.

[JimmyJazz]

KDE 4 sounds good for three reasons to me:

1. Plasma.. Nuff said.

2. KDE is already a six months to a year ahead of Gnome when it comes to using the new composite Xorg stuff. I assume KDE 4 will increase the gap. Gnome is FAR to conservative when it comes to these things me thinks.

3. It seems with KDE 4 those in charge are finally willing to tackle the "klutter" issues KDE has now. It seems the 3.x series tried to get as komplicated as possible interfacewise, almost as a reaction to Gnome 2.x "idiotfying" its interface. All I read tells me with KDE 4 they are beginning to agree that KDE has a few problems in that area that need fixing.

I agree I used to hate KDE but in just the past few releases its seems they fixed most the things that bugged me.

[mstlyevil]

I like Gnome but I like KDE more overall. If KDE could add nautilus and scrap konqueror as it's file manager, that would be a big improvement. To make it perfect it could add Xine UI as it's default media player and gimp, gaim and gnomebaker it would be perfect in my opinion. It is sad when you like things about both DE's that you wished just come with one altogether. Now to leave fantasy land and back to the real world.

[awakatanka]

I like Gnome but I like KDE more overall. If KDE could add nautilus and scrap konqueror as it's file manager, that would be a big improvement. To make it perfect it could add Xine UI as it's default media player and gimp, gaim and gnomebaker it would be perfect in my opinion. It is sad when you like things about both DE's that you wished just come with one altogether. Now to leave fantasy land and back to the real world.
Gaim is not the messenger i like. Because they promising to much and change it at the last minute. A messenger today needs voice and video they said it would be in there 2 version, now i read they only do voice 1st, does it have to do with google and there voice video? Funny that lots are praising google and there free software but they don't have even a linux version of the most important thing. How can there be rumours of a google linux os if they don't even make linux prg of there most important prgs


Gnomebaker our k3b ist just a manner what gui of that application you like, the underlying thing is for both the same.

Btw did i see/read it good and are the cd of kubuntu ready, pitty they only for the expo :(.
http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/506

[nocturn]

It's also light and consumes less resources than KDE.

But then again, Gnome is perfect for me.

Altough I'm also using Gnome, I have found exactly the opposite. I think that metacity and nautilus are mostly to blame, but even with most visual effects turned on, KDE 3.5 runs snappier on my machine (AMD64, 512 MB, Nvidia Go - Laptop) then Gnome does.

When moving windows arround a lot in Gnome, Xorg goes to 40-60% CPU, while KDE does this at 20-30%. The Gnome window-dragging and minimizing leaves artefacts while KDE is smooth.

[nocturn]

It seems the 3.x series tried to get as komplicated as possible interfacewise, almost as a reaction to Gnome 2.x "idiotfying" its interface. All I read tells me with KDE 4 they are beginning to agree that KDE has a few problems in that area that need fixing.

I agree, and if both trends continue, KDE 4 might just push out Gnome for me too... I'm one of the people who really misses the cut options from the printing dialog that sparked Linus' comments on Gnome...

What I would like to see is some middle ground, Gnome actually including settings or properties buttons for a lot of things (like printing and writing CD's) and KDE cutting a lot of options.

I still think the community would benefit from having 2 killer desktops to choose from.

[SuperDiscoMachine V.5.7-3]

Gnome for me, is the perfect Desktop which offers me the largest workspace
??????
How does Gnome give you a larger workspace than other DEs?


, cuts crap from shiny useless fader effects.

Huh? What fader effects?


It's also light and consumes less resources than KDE.

That the sad part, it isn't. On the contrary, Gnome is anything but light on resources. Fortunately, the gnome devs are putting a lot of effort into making Gome more efficient.
On the other hand, KDE has been getting faster and less resource hungry with every release.

About KDE4:
I agree, there is some really exciting stuff going on.

[lgmdaniel]

sounds interesting, though i myelf have only gone with KDE because of the way it feels.

[poofyhairguy]

When moving windows arround a lot in Gnome, Xorg goes to 40-60% CPU, while KDE does this at 20-30%. The Gnome window-dragging and minimizing leaves artefacts while KDE is smooth.

The CPU drain is Metacity. It is a pathetic windows manager compared to Kwin.

The artifacts are problems with a few GTK apps- Firefox is the worst.

[bulldogzerofive]

Has it struck anybody else that this sounds just about the same as the windows vista propaganda?

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/features/default.aspx

I guess this is the future of home computing. I am kind of looking forward to it: I love the eye candy.

[Stormy Eyes]

The CPU drain is Metacity. It is a pathetic windows manager compared to Kwin.

It's a pathetic window manager compared to TWM.

[Stormy Eyes]

I was reading a bit about kde 4 and its new feauture, i must say its promising.

I'll withold judgment until I've seen more than just a mockup (http://plasma.kde.org/dms/1/21_209_kicker4transparentfloatingexpa.gif) image. I'll want to run KDE4 for an hour before I say "it rules" or "it sucks".

[poofyhairguy]

It's a pathetic window manager compared to TWM.

Its just pathetic period.

[awakatanka]

Is there a page where windows manager and desktop environment are compared? Also there new releases.

And whats the different between a windows manager and a desktop environment ?

[Adrian]

And whats the different between a windows manager and a desktop environment ?

Check this out:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=87276

[drizek]

kde 3.5 really got the ball rolling as far as removing clutter. IIRC, most of the old artwork was removed from kde. im not 100% sure about this though because when i upgraded from 3.4 to 3.5, it doesnt delete all the old stuff. no distros use kde 3.5 by default yet.

as far as the future, i tried finding some gnome stuff, but i couldnt really find anything other than cairo. luminosity is cool, but i doubt that will ever be implemented.

KDE on the other hand has a lot of *talk* about the future. the cool thing though is actually seeing the progress and realizing that it really isnt just talk.

[Dr. Nick]

The best way to see where gnome is going is to just use it often :) I cant find much info either but using it on dapper and updating often reveals some new features.

For starters ill tell you all that the shutdown screen has been entirely redone and is now all graphicl,sorta like Win XPs only nicer :)

[drizek]

AFAIK, the logoff screen is from ubuntu, not gnome. could be wrong though.

[Dr. Nick]

Im not sure either, you may be correct as when i noticed it i had updated more ubuntu packages then gnome ones. I didnt think that the ubuntu devs did a whole lot with changing the look of gnome since they follow the same release pattern.

Ive always thought that ubuntu just displayed the latest the gnome team had done.


Back to topic now ,KDE has come along ways since I last used it is starting to grow on me.

I broke into linux on kde 2 something and stopped using it infavor of gnome back when gnome was in the last of the 1x releases. I now have both and on my fast desktop i use kde since i have a nvidia card and like the eyecandy. My slow latop is a gnome/xfce hybrid with a lousy card and no eyecandy

[Kimm]

I realy want to try KDE4 when it comes out. It looks great.
I just want to get a new computer first...