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dbschr
March 15th, 2009, 08:12 PM
Hello,

I would just like to give my thoughts about Ubuntu and Linux distro´s in general and their future. I installed Ubuntu again after not using a Linux distro for two years. The last one I used was Fedora, and I am quite surprised by the evolution in those years.

Anyway today I decided to remove Windows Vista because it was pissing me off. And installed Ubuntu as the only Operating System (still have backup of vista). And I am very eager to learn how to use it propperly. Today I spent some time on configuring it to my taste with Compiz-Fusion and the Avant Window Manager.

But I am still missing the two most populaire design programs Dreamweaver and Photoshop. Ofcourse a majority of the people on Linux community´s say we should just use Gimp. But if your used to Photoshop it is hard to switch to Gimp. And I find it a shame that Adobe is not considering to port their applications to Linux distro´s as well. Even with so many demanding it, and with their lame excuse that they once tried it like 7 years ago on Solaris.

A distro that mainly was used on servers. And it is such a long time ago that they ported a official version to Solaris. You cannot compare the large userbase and distros of today with the ones from back then. Also more companies shall consider more opensource software duo the economical crisis that will occur. So it is actually the perfect time for Adobe to port a version of their products to Linux.

Anyway I think by time when the graphical interfaces of linux distros will improve and applications like photoshop are ported to linux distros it will def. be a windows and os x killer. And I just keep hoping every day till more companies will port their products to linux distro´s.

And Wine is getting better, but it is just still too unstable.
Just my thoughts, tell me what you think. And also tell me what you think of the future position of Windows and Os X compared to Linux distro´s. In my eyes Os X will not have a very bright future, duo their overpriced hardware. And that their Os is restricted to it.

Kind regards,
David

Vince4Amy
March 15th, 2009, 08:14 PM
They run under WINE but Linux uses a different architecture to Windows and since we don't have the source to them programs there's no way we can port them without Adobe being involved. Also I really don't think Windows will be going anywhere anytime soon, there are quite a lot of other things over Linux which still makes it popular

smartboyathome
March 15th, 2009, 08:16 PM
Dreamweaver - I admit there is no alternative. You might have to bite the bullet and install Vista in Virtualbox. If you do, I would recommend replacing the default Explorer desktop shell with an alternative one like SharpEnviro, so that RAM is saved.

Photoshop - If you persevere with GIMP, you will eventually get used to its interface. Look up tutorials on several things, and you might find that it has most of the features Photoshop does, if they are renamed and/or configured differently.

dbschr
March 15th, 2009, 08:36 PM
Everybody is focussing on porting the Windows version of Dreamweaver and Photoshop, wouldn´t it maybe more eassier, and perhaps more stable to port the Os X version of Photoshop and Dreamweaver since Os X is based upon a Unix kernell?

Simian Man
March 15th, 2009, 08:39 PM
Everybody is focussing on porting the Windows version of Dreamweaver and Photoshop, wouldn´t it maybe more eassier, and perhaps more stable to port the Os X version of Photoshop and Dreamweaver since Os X is based upon a Unix kernell?

Since neither are open source, both versions would be pretty hard to port. What we should focus on is developing FOSS versions to the point where they are as nice as Adobe's offerings.

bhishan
March 15th, 2009, 08:43 PM
If linux develops in the rate we are seeing in the last five years, it is the future. I am sure it will surpass OS X's usage in, at most, 5 years.

smartboyathome
March 15th, 2009, 09:02 PM
Everybody is focussing on porting the Windows version of Dreamweaver and Photoshop, wouldn´t it maybe more eassier, and perhaps more stable to port the Os X version of Photoshop and Dreamweaver since Os X is based upon a Unix kernell?

It would actually be harder, since no one has really done any OS X emulation. It is easier to port the Windows version because we have a more complete (reletively to a Mac emulator) Wine (Remember, Wine is not an Emulator ;)) project.

dbschr
March 15th, 2009, 09:08 PM
I am getting interessted in Os X emulation. But you think it is possible to port Photoshop Os X to Linux with the Os X emulation but like a conversion of Photoshop. It would be better to minimalize the amount of files required outside the standard os x photoshop files. Can anyone post a few Os X emulation software for Linux.

Nevon
March 15th, 2009, 09:21 PM
I don't really see why Dreamweaver would be such a big deal. Sure, it's a nice application, but it's by no means a "must-have" application, the way that Photoshop is. Most IDEs have syntax highlighting and some kind of auto completion. What else would you really need that Dreamweaver has to offer? I seriously doubt that any professional programmers or web designers care whether they're using Dreamweaver, Bluefish or gedit. The code still looks exactly the same.

I just don't get it.

Bölvaður
March 16th, 2009, 12:21 AM
I am sure it will surpass OS X's usage in, at most, 5 years.

Redefine it to home users and then you might possible be true about those 5 years.


If we were to have just Linux vs OS X usage then Linux would dwarf OS X. Linux is used on so many different devices you might not think of even needing an OS.
If we would define it only to pc computers then it would still surpass OS X as for all the enterprise usage (computers to look up databases, point of sale computers.... servers are not included).

Johnsie
March 16th, 2009, 12:55 AM
As an operating system Linux is great. However, the main thing holding Linux back are shoddy 'alternative' programs that aren't always as good as the professionally/commercially produced programs. Sometimes with software you get what you paid for.

I think the best improvement to Linux that could be made is better compatibility with Windows software. I would love to be able to use any software regardless of what O/S I'm running. I would also like to be able to use any hardware that windows supports.

Linux is great on its own but sometimes I feel restricted because application x or device y wont work. Yes Linux is open source, but that doesn't help me find a good p2p TV watching application that is easy to install.

Primefalcon
March 16th, 2009, 01:38 AM
I'm sorry but I am a web programmer and I actually don;t see the point of dreamweaver....

Dreamweaver's WYSIWYG mode just makes a complete mess out of the code to the extend it damm near impossible to decipher.....

If you use code mode what benefit does dreamweaver really offer? many editors offer better syntax highlighting that dreamweaver does.... the FTP built into Dreamweaver is a joke, just go and try filezilla or LFTP if you are comfortable with that, you don;t get logged out and the reverse mirroring is great

smartboyathome
March 16th, 2009, 02:39 AM
I am getting interessted in Os X emulation. But you think it is possible to port Photoshop Os X to Linux with the Os X emulation but like a conversion of Photoshop. It would be better to minimalize the amount of files required outside the standard os x photoshop files. Can anyone post a few Os X emulation software for Linux.

There is no "OS X Emuation Software". OS X can't be easily run in a virtual machine (not to mention it is illegal to run it on them), and no one has really tried to do any other types of emulation. I have already tried researching this, and came up with nothing.

ubuntu27
March 16th, 2009, 05:23 AM
If linux develops in the rate we are seeing in the last five years, it is the future. I am sure it will surpass OS X's usage in, at most, 5 years.


I don't know how people want Linux to beat MacOS. Is it in market-share, stability, popularity, aesthetics?

If it is eye candy an aesthetics, then we have already beat them. We can imitate MacOS X with Dock, modifying the bars/panel. We also have compiz-fusion which adds more eye candy.

As for market-share, I believe we (Linux users) have already overpassed Mac OS in market share. This is position might be controversial, for many will agree with me while others don't. But there is one thing we can all agree on, that is Linux market-share cannot be known precisely.

Others poses the opinion that we are beginning to surpass Mac.



"What we're seeing here is the market share for the Linux desktop, which is primarily an alternative to a Windows desktop, just starting to grow and [overtake] Apple's market share."


http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/35688.html?welcome=1208859300


Also, let's keep in mind that when people are talking about Linux market share, they are usually talking about Desktop computers. Linux is used everywhere, it supports more hardware than any other operating system. It runs in supercomputers, handhelds, TiVo, cellphones, PDA, etc. And Linux also supports more architecture than others.


UbuntuForums: Linux Market Share (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1087886)


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On another related topic:

There was a thread (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1070040) in this forum in which the authors expressed his opinion that the OS should concentrate in providing a better environment for developers, so in turn the developers can create software targeted toward the end-user.

OPINION: Ubuntu should target developers, not "average users" (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1070040) by cardinals_fan (http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=360925)

I agree with the author that people just want their computer to work.

And that the non-power user usually does not interact with the OS. The OS just does the work it needs to to (handling the hardware, allocating resources, etc) on the background and the users are just interested inn using their applications that runs on top of the OS.

GNU/Linux already works. What people need are more applications, software targeted toward the "professionals".
The problem we have is that companies such as Adobe are not releasing their products under Linux. Linux, the OS itself is already ready for the desktop.

ade234uk
March 16th, 2009, 05:33 AM
Hello,

I would just like to give my thoughts about Ubuntu and Linux distro´s in general and their future. I installed Ubuntu again after not using a Linux distro for two years. The last one I used was Fedora, and I am quite surprised by the evolution in those years.

Anyway today I decided to remove Windows Vista because it was pissing me off. And installed Ubuntu as the only Operating System (still have backup of vista). And I am very eager to learn how to use it propperly. Today I spent some time on configuring it to my taste with Compiz-Fusion and the Avant Window Manager.

But I am still missing the two most populaire design programs Dreamweaver and Photoshop. Ofcourse a majority of the people on Linux community´s say we should just use Gimp. But if your used to Photoshop it is hard to switch to Gimp. And I find it a shame that Adobe is not considering to port their applications to Linux distro´s as well. Even with so many demanding it, and with their lame excuse that they once tried it like 7 years ago on Solaris.

A distro that mainly was used on servers. And it is such a long time ago that they ported a official version to Solaris. You cannot compare the large userbase and distros of today with the ones from back then. Also more companies shall consider more opensource software duo the economical crisis that will occur. So it is actually the perfect time for Adobe to port a version of their products to Linux.

Anyway I think by time when the graphical interfaces of linux distros will improve and applications like photoshop are ported to linux distros it will def. be a windows and os x killer. And I just keep hoping every day till more companies will port their products to linux distro´s.

And Wine is getting better, but it is just still too unstable.
Just my thoughts, tell me what you think. And also tell me what you think of the future position of Windows and Os X compared to Linux distro´s. In my eyes Os X will not have a very bright future, duo their overpriced hardware. And that their Os is restricted to it.

Kind regards,
David

Install Wine-Doors its another version of wine. Wine-Doors will download Dreamweaver 8 and Photoshop CS2 for you. If you have the serial numbers for these you can then activate them.

I have been happily using Dreamweaver 8 and CS2 for the last 4 months without any issues. I have not had to boot back in to Windows for months.

http://wddb.wine-doors.org/

abyssius
March 16th, 2009, 05:38 AM
I'm sorry but I am a web programmer and I actually don;t see the point of dreamweaver....

Dreamweaver's WYSIWYG mode just makes a complete mess out of the code to the extend it damm near impossible to decipher.....

If you use code mode what benefit does dreamweaver really offer? many editors offer better syntax highlighting that dreamweaver does.... the FTP built into Dreamweaver is a joke, just go and try filezilla or LFTP if you are comfortable with that, you don;t get logged out and the reverse mirroring is great

Although, I'm not as critical of Dreamweaver's functions, I do agree that if you hand code xhtml, css, etc. then dreamweaver is no great loss. I think the problem regarding professional web design is flash. Like it or not, if you want to make money in web design, you have to address flash animation, because that's what clients want. I don't know of a Linux flash alternative. Is there one available?

Sealbhach
March 16th, 2009, 05:40 AM
There's Gimpshop, which is GIMP with a UI that's been made to resemble Photoshop

http://www.gimpshop.com/

You could try it out.


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frup
March 16th, 2009, 09:20 AM
F4l hasn't really been getting updated as such and isn't really usable but it would be a good place to start for others possibly. It's a shame a project like this can die so easily, surely this is more important than gnash or making linux support silverlight.
http://f4l.sourceforge.net/

Mehall
March 16th, 2009, 09:55 AM
There's Gimpshop, which is GIMP with a UI that's been made to resemble Photoshop

http://www.gimpshop.com/

You could try it out.


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It's also still using the 2.2 or .4 version of GIMP, I believe, and the newest version has so many great new features, it's worth the risk giving gimpshop a miss.