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vexeuz
February 8th, 2009, 12:28 AM
I have been thinking of a different orientation for the file menu/toolbars on windows. Everywhere you look, everything is in widescreen. I hate being on the web with a widescreen because most of the websites I visit, 40% of the width is dead space (on the sides). It seems that everyone makes the body content of their web page Narrow for ease of reading, leaving lots of useless deadspace/adspace.

Also, the toolbars and menus at the top makes the height available for content very Small. The ribbons of Office 2007 is the worst! That is like 25% of height already.

Since everyone is use to 8.5 x 11 inch paper, I think it is more natural to keep this vertical rectangle concept on the computer screen.

Therefore, if you move some of the menus and toolbar to the side of the window, it makes the content area conform to 8.5x11 concept (at least on widescreen: less deadspace on the width and more useable space on the height).

I noticed that the gadgets windows on KDE 4.2 is somewhat like that. I do not know why we can not move to a universal Desktop GUI setting like that.

Here is a really rough sketch of what I am talking about.

Merk42
February 8th, 2009, 01:35 AM
Not possible with hwo things are, would require a complete rewrite etc etc.

Now that that's out of the way, I have to suggestions

I would think it'd be better on the left than right.
If wide-screen provides so much more space, then why not have File Edit etc written out horizontally?

09buntu
February 8th, 2009, 02:14 AM
Interesting, but why not let some window manager take care of the "dead space" if it bothers you. That's what they are for, right? There's also global menu for gtk applications (mac menu) if you want that. Just some thoughts.

vexeuz
February 8th, 2009, 04:57 AM
Not possible with hwo things are, would require a complete rewrite etc etc.

Now that that's out of the way, I have to suggestions

I would think it'd be better on the left than right.
If wide-screen provides so much more space, then why not have File Edit etc written out horizontally?


I put it on the right because for me (right handed), I tend to keep my mouse on the right side. It seems more convenient to be on that side. But you can prob change either side that suits you.

Also, when you read a book/paper, you would start on the left corner. So why not just clear all the distractions and have what you want at the spot where you would look first.


And you are right about the File Edit, either way would be good. But if there are additional toolbars and stuff, it would eventually look baulky, so, the vertical version would look better. If you have use Onenote, the tabs are something like that.



Interesting, but why not let some window manager take care of the "dead space" if it bothers you. That's what they are for, right? There's also global menu for gtk applications (mac menu) if you want that. Just some thoughts.


Could you elaborate on what you mean regarding the window manager taking care of the dead space?

I never really like the concept of global menu on mac. Its just too much movement to get around. My idea is to try to limit your mouse movement to an area so things are more accessible.

09buntu
February 8th, 2009, 03:29 PM
Could you elaborate on what you mean regarding the window manager taking care of the dead space?

I never really like the concept of global menu on mac. Its just too much movement to get around. My idea is to try to limit your mouse movement to an area so things are more accessible.

The tiling window manager nerds will have something to say about "dead space". Not much dead space here (http://haskell.org/sitewiki/images/a/aa/Screen-triplehead-galois.jpg). =)

Anyway, what about firefox tabs on the left...

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/images/p/2568/943948800

...and some firefox tweaking...

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2387/66639868ov8.th.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=66639868ov8.jpg)

minus that bloated titlebar. Here's E16 with titlebars on the side...

http://www.ghacks.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/e16_screen-500x400.png

IMHO a menubar on the side should be designed differently than in your concept image to be intuitive (in a readable sense). Can't say how though.

What environment/apps supports vertical menubars anyway? (Could E17/ETK do it?)

I agree with your thoughts about unnecessary mouse movement.
But I rarely use menubar functions without shortcuts anyway.

Mohamedzv2
February 8th, 2009, 06:32 PM
You could always make something like Chrom to have a pull down menu froma button which offers the File, Edit, and that stuff

hessiess
February 9th, 2009, 01:18 PM
Use a tiling window manager ;)

smartboyathome
February 9th, 2009, 04:56 PM
What environment/apps supports vertical menubars anyway? (Could E17/ETK do it?)

If E16 could, E17 can, since they are both based on the same libraries (the EFL).

merkourio
February 9th, 2009, 05:52 PM
quite nice idea, however i think that if you don't like widescreen monitors, then why use it?
"Normal" Monitors are much more cheaper...
Also, if you want to use that dead space what about putting both (up&down) toolbars to the two sides...
Much more convenient and usable... Thinki'n about posting a sketch about it...

09buntu
February 10th, 2009, 02:15 AM
If E16 could, E17 can, since they are both based on the same libraries (the EFL).

My bad (2nd language). The menubars we are talking about here are application toolbars (File Edit etc).

09buntu
February 10th, 2009, 11:51 AM
You could always make something like Chrom to have a pull down menu froma button which offers the File, Edit, and that stuff

This is how I would like it (not b/q of dead space but for a cleaner gui).

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/379/testad9.th.gif (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=testad9.gif)

Anyway not my thread, leaving...

Andreas1
February 10th, 2009, 12:38 PM
Thank you for this thread, it exactly describes what i've been seing for some time now:
-widescreen monitors
-horizontal panels/taskbars (gnome,kde,windows,macosx)
-horizontal titlebars
-multiple horizontal menubars/toolbars/tabbars
vs.
-vertical content in documents and web pages

unfortunately the default gtk application layout is one of the worst, usually containing both a menubar and one or more huge toolbars with redundant options (nautilus "path" buttons vs back and forth and up buttons) without the possibility to place items from different bars in one bar or hide the menubar. For example if you customize firefox a bit you can get quite some space out of it.

it seems gtk is too limited in that concern.

also the gnome-panel is totally unusable vertically.

alex.rayu
February 10th, 2009, 03:00 PM
The idea is excellent. Subscribing. If I can help you with design, tell me in PM.