Anyone else dissapointed in Ubuntu 8.10?

[Wv0wvw88wvw0vW]

I'm currently running Xubuntu 8.04, before 8.10 came out, I was using Ubuntu 8.04, after I switched, I noticed well... basically nothing new. The only exception seemed to be that everything was moving a bit more slowly... performance seemed affected... And I know a lot of reviewers mention "under the hood" improvements, but for me, the same bugs remained, and it felt as if Ubuntu just changed the wallpaper...

I look forward to Ubuntu 9.04, I hope they focus on stability, performance and overall reliability, otherwise, I think Canonical should switch to yearly releases, at least then consequent Ubuntu releases won't just be program updates of an earlier version, for that, they should just do what they're doing for Ubuntu 8.04 (.1/.2 etc).

This thread isn't about me insulting Canonical or Ubuntu, this is just a thought.

[The Grum]

8.10 was a disaster for me - I was trying to set up a media server and ran into problems, only to find both Samba and NFS were broken.

Im now on Fedora 10 (first change since switching to Ubuntu Breezy from SuSE) and its great, but Im keeping an eye on Jaunty.

[BrokenKingpin]

I thought 8.10 was a great release. Everything worked on my new system, where 8.04 did not work at all. There are a few existing bugs I wish they would have addressed though.

[Sunflower1970]

I was a bit worried about Intrepid so I waited for a bit before I installed it on one of my computers.

Have to say my experience has been the opposite. Everything worked quite well and seems faster for me. Two little snags: wireless didn't come back after the laptop was in suspend but I found a fix almost right away...and also a problem with compiz and getting fast & smooth effects (like they were in Hardy)...and again I found a fix almost right away.

Less problems this time around, and the ones I did have I was able to find the answers almost right away. So overall I'm quite happy with this version.

[ibutho]

It works fine for me, but it feeks more like an incremental or bug fix release and there wasn't anything really ground breaking or new. I actually thought that Fedora 10 and openSUSE 11.1 were more exciting and full of new stuff than Ubuntu 8.10.

[Therion]

8.10 was problematic for me as well; one minor annoyance after another after another after another. I should have known it was a bad omen when Ubiquity simply would NOT partition my hard drive without erroring-out on me every freaking time I tried to install. I did find out just how bad dist-upgrade sucks this way however.

8.04 is stable on my system and holding me over but I'm also toying with Sidux at the moment and am nothing short of ASTOUNDED at how fast it runs. Even the LiveCD is blindingly, "holy s--t" fast.

[Wv0wvw88wvw0vW]

Yeah, it's not so much the "not-working" of Ubuntu 8.10 (although I swear it's a bit bloated lol), it's just that there was so much suspense for it, I thought it would really revolutionize Linux for a while - for example, Mark Shuttleworth talked about being able to tap into any wireless network... - the only difference was the possibility for VPN networks. I was just a bit disappointed, I hope this doesn't hold true for 9.04 and I hope Canonical do succeed in "Macifying" Linux lol.

[days_of_ruin]

My biggest problem with intrepid was that they remove displayconfig-gtk
which is much easier than editing xorg.conf.

[mihai007]

For me the greatest success was the 6.06 due to the +2months of fork. It was just rock solid!
the worst ever (even skipped it) was the Edgy (they had only 4 months for it)

Now about the 8.10 I would call it a success.
It's true that many things that worked don't anymore, but now there are things that work that didn't worked before so...

[wolfen69]

8.10 has been the best for me so far. no complaints whatsoever.

[SpenceMakesSense]

although I've ran into various graphical errors when running two x servers. Everything works just the same as it did in hardy. Maybe alittle better but I expected that from a new release.

[Flimm]

Not really.

[techmarks]

Extremely disappointed.

I'd not used the Ubuntu's before this one.

Well everything installed with no troubles, I put a DVD in and then have problems getting it out.

The drive bay would open and close real fast and I couldn't get the DVD out.

I find out that it's the known bug and I need to update to "udev version 124-9".

Did anyone do much testing on it?

There are different version of "8.10" floating around???

I mean really, it can't handle opening and closing the DVD drive? It's such a simple thing.

I could do it manually from the command line with a simple eject command.

Ubunut really should go to yearly releases.


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[Foster Grant]

I found 8.10 to be a big step forward from 8.04, which was a bit of a hop back from 7.10. Making a deal to include official drivers from ATi and Broadcom were huge in terms of usability.

Then I switched from Ubuntu 8.10 to Kubuntu 8.10 and took another step forward. :)

[tubezninja]

What I find interesting is, you'll find people who panned 8.04 but love 8.10, and then there are those who stick to 8.04 and dislike 8.10. Go figure.

In any case, I don't see why Ubuntu should change their release cycle. There are the 6 month releases (which I thought were meant to be incremental in the first place), and the 18 month LTS releases. If you feel the 6-month releases aren't worth it, then don't upgrade, and wait for the next LTS edition to come out. Problem solved.

In my case, 8.04 was a good release but not really worth it to me stay there. 8.10 in my book was the better of the two releases, and so I upgraded my servers and workstations to it. Ext4 is reason alone for me to consider 9.04 when it's ready, and so I'm probably doing the upgrades again in April unless there's a show-stopper of a bug that keeps me away.

[Wv0wvw88wvw0vW]

Will EXT4 be stable by 9.04?

[cosine352]

For me Ubuntu 8.10 works better than 8.04. First I did the upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 and things were very slow in 8.10 compared to 8.04. So I did a fresh install and everything works like a charm.

[|{urse]

I'm liking that noone has flamed the OP =) This thread is useful to me as i have stuck with 7.10 and am considering slooooowly moving my servers/workstations to ibex. Please keep the opinions coming.

[Therion]

What I find interesting is, you'll find people who panned 8.04 but love 8.10, and then there are those who stick to 8.04 and dislike 8.10. Go figure. << snip >> If you feel the 6-month releases aren't worth it, then don't upgrade, and wait for the next LTS edition to come out. Problem solved.
Do I really need to point out where the logic in that train of thought totally derails?

Oh, wait...

[ArtF10]

I'm currently running Xubuntu 8.04, before 8.10 came out, I was using Ubuntu 8.04, after I switched, I noticed well... basically nothing new. The only exception seemed to be that everything was moving a bit more slowly... performance seemed affected... And I know a lot of reviewers mention "under the hood" improvements, but for me, the same bugs remained, and it felt as if Ubuntu just changed the wallpaper......

I couldn't agree more. I had the same experience. I'll be sticking with XUbuntu 8.04 for serious work. I'll only upgrade Xubuntu versions on an old test machine....can't put up with significantly reduced performance when doing real work.

8.10 just felt much more bloated.

[Wv0wvw88wvw0vW]

Lol, I'm rather enjoying that too, if 7.04 works for you then stick with it. Phoenix (I think that's the name of it) is a popular technical website, it was featured on LinuxToday a lot, and it benchmarked Ubuntu 7.04, Ubuntu 8.04 and Ubuntu 8.10, Ubuntu 7.04 outperformed greatly in roughly half of these results, Ubuntu 8.04 is several held a good advantage, with Ubuntu 8.10 basically the same with marginal differences to Ubuntu 8.04. If 7.04 works, i.e. no driver issues, then stick with it for as long as you can, I wouldn't worry about the loss of support in April or June etc, so long as everything works the way you want it to now, i.e. in terms of performance, reliability and stability, then stay with an older version, they tend to be well debugged, just look at Slackware...

[Wv0wvw88wvw0vW]

8.10 just felt much more bloated.

+1

[oldsoundguy]

Disappointment here in the management of both audio and video for 8.10 .. I went from 7.10 to 8.10 and lost a LOT of NVidia video properties (RandRotate for one). and still the inability to control Creative Audio DIGITAL output with something as simple as a MASTER control that actually works instead of just displaying a non working control!)
Disappointed so much so, that I have backtracked on two machines to 8.04 .. which WORKS! (other than the same digital audio bug.)
AND there is the "type ahead buffer" which can not be adjusted. Making unregistered keystrokes COMBINE as some form of macro that shuts down the keyboard.

[wolfen69]

I wouldn't worry about the loss of support in April or June etc

support for 7.04 has already ended. http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-7.04-end-of-life

[alicemoon]

8.10 was the release that made me finally switch from windows - everything just worked - I already liked Ubuntu but it took up too much time trying to make things work - with 8.10 I could put it onto my work computer without any stress - of course there are always improvements that can be made but I am very happy with intrepid.

[SushiR]

I switched back from Intrepid to Hardy on my desktop as well as on my EeePC 901. It is faster, less memory consuming (and no swapping!) and it has KDE3 (which I see as the biggest advantage over Intrepid). Gnome runs smooth and fast, too. Hardy feels more stable and more mature...

[SunnyRabbiera]

Will EXT4 be stable by 9.04?

Its been ready for some time now, but I dont think it will be the ubuntu default for a while.

My biggest problem with intrepid was that they remove displayconfig-gtk
which is much easier than editing xorg.conf.
I know, that was a very stupid movie in my opinion.

[shadowdude1794]

8.10 switched me from a Windows user to an Ubuntu user... everything "just works."

[jespdj]

I am still using Ubuntu 8.04, and I'm skipping 8.10.

There are a few known bugs in 8.10 that are show stoppers for me. One is that the internal microphone of my laptop doesn't work with it (and there's still no fix or good workaround for that problem). Another is something that's mentioned in the Ubuntu 8.10 release notes about the Intel 4965 WiFi card.

I'm waiting for 9.04, but I'm not sure yet that I'll be upgrading.

I need a stable and working computer to do work on, and 8.04.2 is working very well on my laptop currently.

Lol, I'm rather enjoying that too, if 7.04 works for you then stick with it. Phoenix (I think that's the name of it) is a popular technical website, ...
You probably mean Phoronix (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=home).

[fallenshadow]

Im sticking with 8.04LTS. I have been tempted to upgrade just so I can get newer versions of software but I don't want to break anything. Everything just works beautifully.

8.04LTS is rock solid and my system is getting faster and smoother when more updates come my way. I have finally decided that im definitely not upgrading and waiting for the next LTS to come around.

[Wv0wvw88wvw0vW]

That's that one! lol At least I knew it started with a "P"...

Someone mentioned skipping 8.10 and waiting for 9.04, which got me thinking that 8.10 is like the Vista of Microsoft (bad comparison I know..), hopefully 9.04 will be bulletproof. More irrelevant, but has anyone tried the 9.04 of Microsoft? Windows 7?
I stopped using it yesterday, installed Xubuntu 8.04, it's >far< better than either XP or Vista, but everything is so big... I feel like an idiot using it, the interface just seems to want to impress you, it's not very efficient. But it is more stable, while I had a few non-responding programs, it was fairly stable, especially for a beta. One major problem I had with it, was that I couldn't see icons after a while, along with minor bugs (such as not being able to select items from ComboBoxes etc), and the quintessential truth of Windows platform - Antivirus.. Means I'm back to Linux...
/rant

[Skripka]

That's that one! lol At least I knew it started with a "P"...

Someone mentioned skipping 8.10 and waiting for 9.04, which got me thinking that 8.10 is like the Vista of Microsoft (bad comparison I know..)

Considering a majority of people are running Ibex fine, I call that comparison BS.

[C!oud]

I don't use Ubuntu anymore but when I briefly used 8.10 I didn't see anything wrong with it at all. Sure it might have been a little featureless but overall it was just another stable Ubuntu release for me.

[sigurnjak]

I tried it for a day or so but i could not get permissions sorted out for my ipod and my hp camera would not mount . Being a regular user i find those 2 pieces of hardware quite important . Other than that there was nothing revolutionary . Performance wise i could not tell any difference. In the mean time i am looking forward to a 9.04 and we will see how that goes .

[tsali]

8.10 installed and ran perfectly on my Toshiba A205 and Alienware M3400.

Supported wireless with WPA perfectly in both cases.

Video and sound were properly configured on install.

For everyday use, I have yet to encounter anything broken on either machine.

Quite possibly the smoothest linux experience I've ever had.

Both machines have 1Gb RAM. The Toshiba is setup with Wubi and the Alienware has Ubuntu alone.

[SuperSonic4]

I found 8.10 to be a great improvement on 8.04. KDE 4.2 is beautiful (yeah, I'm shallow xD) and it runs faster and with far fewer bugs than KDE 4.0. I just hope amarok 1.4.10 will make it into the next kubuntu release. Wireless works thanks to backported packages but then it would in 8.04 so can't really say

The only problem was having to use a cli to install the nvidia drivers

[Foster Grant]

I tried it for a day or so but i could not get permissions sorted out for my ipod and my hp camera would not mount . Being a regular user i find those 2 pieces of hardware quite important . Other than that there was nothing revolutionary . Performance wise i could not tell any difference. In the mean time i am looking forward to a 9.04 and we will see how that goes .

Those aren't Ubuntu issues, though. Depending on your iPod model you'll find issues with every variant of open-source software, and it gets worse as the iPod gets newer. That's the reason I returned to a dual-boot system --- I can set Amarok up to find the music I keep on the Windows partition.

I just hope amarok 1.4.10 will make it into the next kubuntu release.

That's the current version in the Intrepid repositories.

[solitaire]

Well I was getting totally pissed off with my Ubuntu 8.10 install after spending 10 mins trying to run:
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
!!Argh!!!

Then I realised in on my Vista comp.... D'oh!! :D:D

Actually 8.10's been great! :D

[chrisme52]

I don't think anyone would pay for it though.
I mean bluetooth didn't work for me and the nvidia restricted drivers totally mucked up my display.

The right direction, but i'd rather have a fully working system than a good looking one without core features.
Why don't they just keep the realeses in testing for longer?

[|{urse]

Diagnosis: absolutely awesome! Ibex is rocking harder on all 7 of my machines than gutsy was (and it rocked pretty hard ^^)

[sox fan Matt]

What distro do you use Cloud?

[dragos240]

No not really, i really quite like it.