I'm going back to Windows XP ¬¬ [Archive]

RaiCoss

February 3rd, 2009, 03:55 PM

Get a life.

Your post demonstrates you only use your PC for playing games...
Get yourself a hoe, a book on how to grow potatoes and start working.

Congratulations, that is one of the single dumbest thing I have ever read on a forum.

And yeah I am (trying!) to play games on the PC at the moment, but then again I've broken my leg, so there's really very little else to do atm.

And as for bug's I'm getting the same Ubuntu breaking bug I got on Hardy, whenever I open Add/Remove or Synaptic, the whole system slows down hideously, and the only way to reset is hard reset, as the system becomes to slow to do it with the mouse.

WINE 1.0 on Hardy used to run things great, I could pretty much run anything quite happily, but 1.0.1+ are just to buggy and glitchy.

Oh and then there's the fact that when you play an movie file, and pull it rewind any, 5 out of 10 times the audio will go out of sync with the video.

Firefox is way too slow when theres any a heavy amount of flash content on a page, now I know that the Linux version of flash isn't as a robust as the Windows version but still, it should be better than it is.
And firefox is just generally to resource hungry on Linux (75% CPU usage on just the google homepage?)

Then there's having to compile software, not fun in the least. The fact that I can't just simply install the latest nVidia driver like I could in Windows, I have yet to find a way to manually install the drivers in ubuntu without breaking my install.

The lack of a shockwave plugin for firefox on linux, and yeah I know that I can install the Windows version under WINE, but that's kinda defeating the object, and running the Windows version also tend's to be glitchy.....

And as for the comment on Windows XP being overblown and expensive or w/e, it was given to me, so it was actually cheaper than linux, as it didn't cost me the price of a cd to burn. As for viruses, that was the only reason I left XP, and what is making me hesistant in returning to it.
All i wanna do is USE my pc, not report bugs, compile software, be told by my ISP's technical support that they can't help me because they don't support linux, have to go hunting round forums for answers to technical issues(which I never faced with XP, although I have to say the Ubuntu forums are awesome, and always helpful!!)

But the point is I love Ubuntu and linux in general, I've grown accustomed to GNOME's layout and sheer flexibilty (I don't really like KDE) and customizability, I love not having to worry about stupid, stupid viruses/malware/spyware/wtfware,I like not having to install CPU/SOUND/NETWORK/WIRELESS drivers,I like the whole ethos of the OS, but i just want it to WORK!!! No stupid unexplainable glitches, no WINE refusing to work, no website saying "sorrryyyyyyyyyyyyy we don't support linux".....I JUST WANT IT TO BE U-S-A-B-L-E, nothing more, nothing less.

Oh yeah and Compiz is too buggy too ¬¬

bapoumba

February 3rd, 2009, 04:34 PM

Anyone is entitled to use what fits them best.

Please keep this thread civil.

amendt

February 3rd, 2009, 05:28 PM

I will probably miss you. I was helping my nephew make a new level in Pingus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingus_(video_game)) over Christmas and was amazed at the tools Linux offers game programers. The foundation for Linux is great. We need a few more people using Ubuntu to make end user games better. Chicken or Egg.

|{urse

February 3rd, 2009, 05:30 PM

I'm going back to windows 3.11! (currently running in my living room) Then i am coming back here to ubuntu. OS elitism is for people who only own 1 computer.

RaiCoss

February 3rd, 2009, 05:42 PM

I'm going back to windows 3.11! (currently running in my living room) Then i am coming back here to ubuntu. OS elitism is for people who only own 1 computer.

I only own 1 PC >,<

Old *ix Geek

February 3rd, 2009, 06:13 PM

OS elitism is for people who only own 1 computer.Really? I own many computers...and they all run Linux. This is a windoze-free household and I'm proud of it! :D

jbysmith

February 3rd, 2009, 06:34 PM

Anyone is entitled to use what fits them best.

Please keep this thread civil.

Ditto this sentiment.

Linux is an awesome operating system, but it's not for everyone. I use it 99% of my time on a computer, and I love it. I get a sadistic chuckle when a friend or neighbor asks me for help removing their latest infestation of Virtumonde. I die a little inside every time I see someone running Windows 2000, no service packs or security, just because its faster. I run Linux because I chose to. It's what works best for me.

But its not for everybody. For someone who relies on Windows based software on a daily basis, Windows would be the better option. Sure Wine covers some of it, but not all. There's open source alternatives to various commercialware, but not all, or just not as good as the paid versions. (I admit it, I like Microsoft Office 2007 in a VM better than OpenOffice. There I said it.) If Windows software is what you need, then the smart choice is to run Windows. It's got nothing to do with evil overlord corporations, the open source movement and the like.. if you use something that's not working for you, you're just shooting yourself in the foot.

But what drives me absolutely batsh't are Linux users that brag about having the freedom of choice... then go into flamethrower mode when somebody chooses something that's not Linux. His choice is only right if it's what you would choose? How is that freedom of choice? Hypocrisy at its finest. If you believe in freedom of choice, then you have to be fine with somebody using something even though you think he's wrong. Otherwise you're just spouting crap.

Tamlynmac

February 3rd, 2009, 07:40 PM

If Ubuntu doesn't meet your expectations, use something else. From your post it doesn't appear to be life threatening.

Why argue about it? Just move on and use what works. That seems to be the general consensus here.

Crafty Kisses

February 3rd, 2009, 07:49 PM

Later man. I hope you enjoy whatever suits you.

smo0th

February 4th, 2009, 12:32 AM

yeah, bye :D

cardinals_fan

February 4th, 2009, 12:34 AM

im sorry you feel that way. I dont care for windows users so come crying to us if you get a problem with windows.

I don't mind. Windows Discussions (inside Other OS Talk) is always open. Come by and visit!

Anyway, use what works for you.

overlord.gaurav

February 4th, 2009, 12:44 AM

You love gaming. Games aren't working for you. Windows is the best OS for you! Have a good time, mate! :popcorn:

HuaiDan

February 4th, 2009, 12:55 AM

+1
ditto this sentiment.

Linux is an awesome operating system, but it's not for everyone. I use it 99% of my time on a computer, and i love it. I get a sadistic chuckle when a friend or neighbor asks me for help removing their latest infestation of virtumonde. I die a little inside every time i see someone running windows 2000, no service packs or security, just because its faster. I run linux because i chose to. It's what works best for me.

But its not for everybody. For someone who relies on windows based software on a daily basis, windows would be the better option. Sure wine covers some of it, but not all. There's open source alternatives to various commercialware, but not all, or just not as good as the paid versions. (i admit it, i like microsoft office 2007 in a vm better than openoffice. There i said it.) if windows software is what you need, then the smart choice is to run windows. It's got nothing to do with evil overlord corporations, the open source movement and the like.. If you use something that's not working for you, you're just shooting yourself in the foot.

But what drives me absolutely batsh't are linux users that brag about having the freedom of choice... Then go into flamethrower mode when somebody chooses something that's not linux. His choice is only right if it's what you would choose? How is that freedom of choice? Hypocrisy at its finest. If you believe in freedom of choice, then you have to be fine with somebody using something even though you think he's wrong. Otherwise you're just spouting crap.

gackt

February 4th, 2009, 01:32 AM

Good bye, give me my regards to BSOD will you.

wolfen69

February 4th, 2009, 01:51 AM

i did a windows install tonight and installed the (intel) video drivers for XP. wouldn't you know there happened a major windows malfunction. it freaked out. i rebooted and windows was OK, but I don't know how people can live in fear. i will never trust windows again.

Tamlynmac

February 4th, 2009, 02:05 AM

wolfen69
Re: I'm going back to Windows XP ¬¬
i did a windows install tonight and installed the (intel) video drivers for XP. wouldn't you know there happened a major windows malfunction. it freaked out. i rebooted and windows was OK, but I don't know how people can live in fear. i will never trust windows again.

After the first BSOD - did you ever really trust Windows? Even back in 3.1, I don't remember trusting Windows. If I recall correctly, we backed up everything as it was mandatory. Stacks of floppies or tapes.

Those were the good old days.;)

jbysmith

February 4th, 2009, 02:32 AM

RaiCoss

February 4th, 2009, 04:41 AM

Eh to be honest, an up-to-date XP install is actually rather stable. My gaming partition has BSOD'd once in the past year or so, and that was due to a faulty video driver. (Playing with bleeding edge betas isn't always a good thing heh.) The recent offerings from nVidia on the Linux end haven't been terribly reliable either, at least on my rig. The latest 180.27's have been working well for me so far at least.. the one before that was unstable as hell though. Sometimes an X restart took care of it, but I had a lot of crossing-fingers with a hard reset too as I couldn't even log in remotely to kill X.

Stability wise I trust Windows XP. If it bombs, it's more often than not a driver problem. (Can't really comment on Vista, as I avoid it.) 95 through 2000 was another matter entirely. I pretty much used the BSOD's as a reminder to go to lunch or dinner.

But yea, it's still Windows... save early and save often. I'm super careful with what I do but it's still easy to make a mistake and get infested with crapware. I have my gaming partition mounted into my Linux filesystem, and it gets backed up regularly via rsync onto a server, just in case. Coupled with an image of the OS after it was installed and configured, a recovery after an "oh crap" moment will be pretty painless.

Uhuh XP with Service Pack 3 is very stable in my experience(it's never crashed once!)

95.98. ane ME are all pretty dodgy but 2000? Theres nothing wrong with it, its stable and quick, can't really complain about that.

The worst thing with Windows XP are :~

1)The viruses...

2)When you download a program and don't read carefully enough through the install screens, and it installs something like yahoo! toolbar or some other such crap.

3)Microsoft's customer support is utter s***, I tried get an answer to a general question about Vista and they outright refused until I gave them the serial, which I couldn't find at the time, so no help ¬¬

4)Having to have the latest and greatest AntiVirus, which sucks your system performance down (although OneCare was great in this department, not to much of a resource hog at all).

5)Everything cost's something unless you hunt out a decent freeware or opensource version, and then of course the freeware may well be a front for a virus/trojan/backdoor or w/e.

6) DeFragging, something I certainly don't miss on linux.

7)THE STUPID AUTOMATIC UPDATES THAT RESTART THE MACHINE ON THERE OWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8)The dodgy networking, having thing's disappear and reappear for no good reason, not a problem in Linux....

And nVidia's linux drivers are excellent, as reliable as the Windows version, and in some ways better!

But as I said before I just want my system to WORK, and Ubuntu is the only Linux variant I'm comfortable with, but it keeps getting the same install ruining bug, I don't want to go back to XP all that much, but theres little alternative unless things start to work better....

billgoldberg

February 4th, 2009, 05:58 AM

I can't take anymore retarded glitches under Linux or WINE, its beyond stupid >,>

What were you expecting, that could run Windows only software without any problem on a non Windows OS?

Why did you even try Ubuntu?

lakersforce

February 4th, 2009, 05:59 AM

I can't take anymore retarded glitches under Linux or WINE, its beyond stupid >,>

Stop gaming!

3rdalbum

February 4th, 2009, 06:16 AM

There are two things that are amazing: That Wine can actually run Windows programs at all, and secondly that people expect it to run Windows programs flawlessly.

To the original poster: Virtualbox now has Direct3D support in guest Windows if you apply a patch; maybe this will be a better option for you. It still uses Wine's implementation of Direct3D, but maybe you'll have more success.

Or buy an Xbox 360, they're cheap and they are proper gaming machines.

Eisenwinter

February 4th, 2009, 06:21 AM

Get a life.

Your post demonstrates you only use your PC for playing games...
Get yourself a hoe, a book on how to grow potatoes and start working.
Why? because he spoke against Linux and wine?

Man I hate how whenever anyone says "Linux is stupid, it's not ready for desktop, nothing is working for me, I'm going back to Windows", so many people jump up and try to convice that person to stay.

Why do you care if he didn't file a bug report, or didn't test his hardware properly, or anything else?

He wants to use Windows, let him.

@OP: goodbye, have fun using Windows.

jbysmith

February 4th, 2009, 10:03 AM

To the original poster: Virtualbox now has Direct3D support in guest Windows if you apply a patch; maybe this will be a better option for you. It still uses Wine's implementation of Direct3D, but maybe you'll have more success

Ooo thanks for pointing that out. I've been using VMWare Workstation for the D3D support, but always felt that VirtualBox ran a little faster overall on my hardware.. gonna have to check that out. Haven't checked their site in quite some time.

howefield

February 4th, 2009, 10:11 AM

Why? because he spoke against Linux and wine?

Man I hate how whenever anyone says "Linux is stupid, it's not ready for desktop, nothing is working for me, I'm going back to Windows", so many people jump up and try to convice that person to stay.

Yeah you're right, it is almost as bad as the people who cry about people who cry about.... ahem.

jbysmith

February 4th, 2009, 10:22 AM

95.98. ane ME are all pretty dodgy but 2000? Theres nothing wrong with it, its stable and quick, can't really complain about that.

Must have been my hardware; I've had lots of BSOD's with 2000. Rarely with XP once it got out of its growing pains, and that bad driver aside, never since.

2)When you download a program and don't read carefully enough through the install screens, and it installs something like yahoo! toolbar or some other such crap.

That irks the living hell out of me :D Along with throwing a shortcut on my desktop, quick launch, three different places on the start menu, a couple context menu entries, and a quick launch in the system tray. Just in case you forget how to launch it. And hey lets throw in a service and autorun too for automatic updates while we're at it; I'm sure you don't mind extra crap running.

4)Having to have the latest and greatest AntiVirus, which sucks your system performance down (although OneCare was great in this department, not to much of a resource hog at all).

I usually never run antivirus/spyware resident, just on-demand scanners and the VirusTotal web site for little files (*ahem* dodgy keygens and the like) If in doubt, Sandboxie is probably the single best Windows program ever written, kinda sorta like a chroot jail. Stupidly handy little program. My security is based on not being silly with randomly doubleclicking anything. I do have a resident firewall of course though. (And just a firewall, not those overbloated HIPS security apps.)

5)Everything cost's something unless you hunt out a decent freeware or opensource version, and then of course the freeware may well be a front for a virus/trojan/backdoor or w/e.

Kinda sorta agree with this. Sure, people need to make a buck but still. There's a few exceptions though. Paint.NET for example completely stomps over GIMP for a free editor. NotePad++ is stupidly good, things like that. But those are the exception, not the norm.

6) DeFragging, something I certainly don't miss on linux.

No arguments there. NTFS needs to be taken out behind the barn and shot already.

7)THE STUPID AUTOMATIC UPDATES THAT RESTART THE MACHINE ON THERE OWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Heh yep. First thing I do is disable automatic updates entirely, and run it on demand. (Or at least set it to notify only, run the actual updates when YOU say to.) 99% of Windows updates are pushed on the second Tuesday of every month; Patch Day. Once in a while Microsoft will push one early if it's really bad/critical.

And nVidia's linux drivers are excellent, as reliable as the Windows version, and in some ways better!

Again, no arguments minus the last beta. (First Winders nVidia beta that I've had issues with) Didn't even BSOD for me, just BAM, hard reset along with the lovely file system errors. The recent Linux ones have been quirky as well; 180.27 has been ok so far though.. hopefully getting their act together again.

But as I said before I just want my system to WORK, and Ubuntu is the only Linux variant I'm comfortable with, but it keeps getting the same install ruining bug, I don't want to go back to XP all that much, but theres little alternative unless things start to work better....

Give some other distros a try. OpenSUSE isn't my #1 favorite but if anything it's very refined and seems pretty bug free for the most part, and very "polished". YaST has gotten better too, kinda sorta like Windows Control Panel. (Just get rid of the damned SLAB menu if you pick Gnome, hate that thing.) If you prefer to stick with the Debian way try Mint or Debian Lenny/Sid. Wasn't my thing but my experiments with Mandriva (or PCLinuxOS) worked pretty well. My personal #1 favorite is Arch, but that requires a lot more hands-on.. if you want "just works" probably not for you as after the intallation you've got nothing but a basic terminal; everything else is on you to install ;D

clw3388

February 4th, 2009, 10:46 AM

Not constructive but i cannot help myself..

Want some cheese with that whine?

I agree with the comment on buying a console (xbox) for gaming..
I never thought of that and frankly would get rid of windows forever in my house.. Course i really like the mouse and keyboard instead of a crappy controller... does xbox have usb ports for keyboard and mouse hookup?

Ahh the possiblities...

albinootje

February 4th, 2009, 12:09 PM

Want some cheese with that whine?

I'd like to add to this that the Wine project has worked for 15 years on Wine before being able to release Wine version 1.0
I assume that the latest generation of spoiled video-game kids don't know anything better than consume/consume/consume

Community, sharing knowledge and resources ? Erhm.. whassad ?

forestwalkerjoe

February 4th, 2009, 12:15 PM

ANYONE even get a chance to explain how he can DUEL boot his system.. allowing him to use his lovely games and still have the safty and stability of LINUX? or maybe.. at worst.. do a WUBI?

albinootje

February 4th, 2009, 12:31 PM

But as I said before I just want my system to WORK, and Ubuntu is the only Linux variant I'm comfortable with, but it keeps getting the same install ruining bug, I don't want to go back to XP all that much, but theres little alternative unless things start to work better....

I think you should go for a dual-boot installation and use MS-Windows for the things that don't run well for you in Ubuntu.

At the same time make sure your read more about computer security both for MS-Windows and for Ubuntu.
Viruses already have less chance in MS-Windows when people don't run everything as "Administrator", you should use a restricted user in MS-Windows to surf the web and exchange files.

And if you really don't want to contribute anything at all towards the Open Source movement, then you should really think about getting yourself MacOSX on a fancy Apple + some game console if you want to play games.

stchman

February 4th, 2009, 12:37 PM

He is judging Ubuntu pretty much based on how well it plays Windows games. WINE is a pretty good piece of software, but it is not meant to run 100% of Windows programs.

If all the OP wants to do is play Windows games then XP is a better choice for them.

Ask the OP how many Linux apps Windows runs.

jbysmith

February 4th, 2009, 12:55 PM

He is judging Ubuntu pretty much based on how well it plays Windows games. WINE is a pretty good piece of software, but it is not meant to run 100% of Windows programs

I see that one a lot on various Windows forums, which is kind of silly. I'm glad Wine's there but can't rely on it running everything. It's just not a realistic expectation. Kinda like saying the 360 sucks because I can't play my PS3 games on it. Different system entirely. Computers are no different; just being able to run some "foreign" software natively without a virtual machine or recompile is just amazing. You just can't do that in Windows. And no, Cygwin doesn't count; you're still recompiling from source against Windows compatible libraries. Drag and drop a Linux binary onto a Windows system and see what happens. Error message. "Lol Wut? Abort, Retry, Fail?"

RaiCoss

February 4th, 2009, 02:51 PM

Must have been my hardware; I've had lots of BSOD's with 2000. Rarely with XP once it got out of its growing pains, and that bad driver aside, never since.

That irks the living hell out of me :D Along with throwing a shortcut on my desktop, quick launch, three different places on the start menu, a couple context menu entries, and a quick launch in the system tray. Just in case you forget how to launch it. And hey lets throw in a service and autorun too for automatic updates while we're at it; I'm sure you don't mind extra crap running.

I usually never run antivirus/spyware resident, just on-demand scanners and the VirusTotal web site for little files (*ahem* dodgy keygens and the like) If in doubt, Sandboxie is probably the single best Windows program ever written, kinda sorta like a chroot jail. Stupidly handy little program. My security is based on not being silly with randomly doubleclicking anything. I do have a resident firewall of course though. (And just a firewall, not those overbloated HIPS security apps.)

Kinda sorta agree with this. Sure, people need to make a buck but still. There's a few exceptions though. Paint.NET for example completely stomps over GIMP for a free editor. NotePad++ is stupidly good, things like that. But those are the exception, not the norm.

No arguments there. NTFS needs to be taken out behind the barn and shot already.

Heh yep. First thing I do is disable automatic updates entirely, and run it on demand. (Or at least set it to notify only, run the actual updates when YOU say to.) 99% of Windows updates are pushed on the second Tuesday of every month; Patch Day. Once in a while Microsoft will push one early if it's really bad/critical.

Again, no arguments minus the last beta. (First Winders nVidia beta that I've had issues with) Didn't even BSOD for me, just BAM, hard reset along with the lovely file system errors. The recent Linux ones have been quirky as well; 180.27 has been ok so far though.. hopefully getting their act together again.

Give some other distros a try. OpenSUSE isn't my #1 favorite but if anything it's very refined and seems pretty bug free for the most part, and very "polished". YaST has gotten better too, kinda sorta like Windows Control Panel. (Just get rid of the damned SLAB menu if you pick Gnome, hate that thing.) If you prefer to stick with the Debian way try Mint or Debian Lenny/Sid. Wasn't my thing but my experiments with Mandriva (or PCLinuxOS) worked pretty well. My personal #1 favorite is Arch, but that requires a lot more hands-on.. if you want "just works" probably not for you as after the intallation you've got nothing but a basic terminal; everything else is on you to install ;D

LOL =P

I've tried many, many distros like:~

Debian - Didn't recognise my wifi dongle.

Arch - Arghhhhhhh I HAVE TO BUILD IT FROM SCRATCH =((((((((((

Linux Mint - Really good, I've downloaded the new version to try.

OpenSUSE 11 - Reduces the screen resolution to like 320x240 on install and I cant see the menu, plus the icons are all funky and outta shape.

LinPUS - Ok, but very basic and dosen't support WIFI encryption.

Fedora 10 - Not bad, but too buggy.

Gentoo - Refused too install.

OpenSOLARIS - I know it's not exactly linux, but it's very similar, dosen't recognise my WIFI dongle.

DSL - Way too basic.

Fluxbuntu - Ditto DSL.

Mandriva - Not bad, but I hate the way it sets WINE out, and I really don't like KDE4, KDE3 is ok, but i far prefer GNOME.

Ubuntu - Feels like a full proper OS, well supported, has recognised every piece of hardware I've ever attached like USB keyboard/PS2 mouse, usb WIFI dongle, Bluetooth adapter, webcam, printer, scanner. I've never had any trouble whatsoever, never had to hunt round the internet for some obscure driver ala Windows. Never having to worry about stupid viruses and the rest of that crap.

And some others that I probably cant remember xD

And to all the "he just want's to use WINE" quotes, try reading some of my replies in this post. My biggest problem is that when I open Synaptic or Add/remove my system start's to slow down horribly, the mouse starts lurching everywhere, until it gets so bad, I have to hard reset the machine. It also used to do this in Hardy whenever I opened Synaptic-Add/Remove or a web browser, but it hadn't reared it's ugly head again until now!

And also like I said before WINE 1.0 in hardy ran everything perfectly, and I mean PERFECTLY. It was like running on Windows in many ways.

And to the guy who said he didn't need to runa realtime AntiVirus, lucky you man!!
I get infected when I'm not on the internet, haven't downloaded anything, and have completeuptosmeggingdate AntiVirus/AntiSpyware/Anti Malware/ Rootkit detectors, the whole kit and bloody kaboodle, BUT I STILL GET INFECTED!!!!!!!!!

And as for the "maybe you should get MAC OSX because you don't support opensource. How do I NOT support opensource??

I exclusively use an open source operating system, 99.9% of the programs I've downloaded are open source. Infact the only thing's on my system that aren't open source are Flash. the nVidia driver, AVG AntiVirus, and the BBC iPlayer, and i only use them because the opensource alternates are not as good, if they where, I would use them!!;)

Tamlynmac

February 4th, 2009, 04:32 PM

I must have completely misunderstood your original post. You specifically stated you were going back to Windows XP.

My recommendation is basic - if your not satisfied with any product, don't use it. Especially, if alternative products meet your expectations. I'm really not trying to be rude, only pointing out the obvious.

I do understand the need to vent and your frustration. As you may consider some aspects of the product beneficial. However pointing out what you believe to be product deficiencies to others that are satisfied with the product is illogical and in my opinion a waste of time.

IMHO
You have decided (as your post indicates) to return to Windows. No justification is necessary. I know this section of the forum is for testimonials and experiences, but your decision to return to Windows has already been made and you've shared your experience. Seeking permission or support to not use the product, implies your confused - yet your title appears decisive.

Good Bye & Good Luck
I truly do hope Windows provides you with the interactive experience your seeking.

RaiCoss

February 4th, 2009, 04:37 PM

Adam N

February 4th, 2009, 04:49 PM

Enjoy windows. I still run windows xp on my desktop for gaming but i have linux on my asus eeepc which i use for everything else. I think that most people stay clear of vista. Enjoy windows

RaiCoss

February 4th, 2009, 05:00 PM

Enjoy windows. I still run windows xp on my desktop for gaming but i have linux on my asus eeepc which i use for everything else. I think that most people stay clear of vista. Enjoy windows

Read my last post.

hikaricore

February 4th, 2009, 05:07 PM

RaiCoss

February 4th, 2009, 05:11 PM

Regardless of the possible hostility of the OP, anyone who doesn't have anything constructive to say here best just not post.
Flaming a user who is having problems is not acceptable.

Shame on some of you..

hikaricore, like i said in the private message, stop dictating people!!

They criticised me, so what?? I'm a big boy, I can take criticism, let them say whay they want....

hikaricore

February 4th, 2009, 05:15 PM

I'm doing my job here. Please keep any comentary directed towards me in PMs.
They do not belong in this thread.

RaiCoss

February 4th, 2009, 05:16 PM

I'm doing my job here. Please keep any comentary directed towards me in PMs.
They do not belong in this thread.

I'm rebelling against the establishment!! :p

Sprut1

February 4th, 2009, 05:21 PM

I can't take anymore retarded glitches under Linux or WINE, its beyond stupid >,>

This thread is beyond stupid.

No one forces you to use linux or wine, if it doesn't work for you and you don't want to help people help you please run back to Windows. Also there is no need to delete windows to run linux, or delete linux to run windows - they run well in parallel.

123Mike

February 4th, 2009, 05:22 PM

I can't take anymore retarded glitches under Linux or WINE, its beyond stupid >,>

I couldn't take any more retarded glitches in Windows any more. I'm *quite* happy on Xubuntu now.

RaiCoss

February 4th, 2009, 05:31 PM

This thread is beyond stupid.

No one forces you to use linux or wine, if it doesn't work for you and you don't want to help people help you please run back to Windows. Also there is no need to delete windows to run linux, or delete linux to run windows - they run well in parallel.

Read my other posts in this thread.

RaiCoss

February 4th, 2009, 05:32 PM

I couldn't take any more retarded glitches in Windows any more. I'm *quite* happy on Xubuntu now.

Read my other posts in this thread.

Yeah if you can't be arsed to read the whole thread you get a standard response =P

Sprut1

February 4th, 2009, 05:42 PM

Read my other posts in this thread.

I did already.

I'd still suggest running dual boot until you can figure out your problems and eventually move away from Windows, if that is what you want.

RaiCoss

February 4th, 2009, 05:46 PM

I did already.

I'd still suggest running dual boot until you can figure out your problems and eventually move away from Windows, if that is what you want.

Fair enough, but I'm not a fan of dual booting, I'm not experienced enough with partitioning, and I only have one PC, and tbh I the more i think of going back to XP, the more I remember the misery of viruses.

Sprut1

February 4th, 2009, 05:54 PM

Fair enough, but I'm not a fan of dual booting, I'm not experienced enough with partitioning, and I only have one PC, and tbh I the more i think of going back to XP, the more I remember the misery of viruses.

Partitioning is not hard, you could easily learn it. I run Ubuntu and Windows on two separate hd's, and it works just fine, maybe buy a second hd? My situation is much like yours, I use Ubuntu because I love it and I use Windows for games that won't run in Ubuntu.

jbysmith

February 4th, 2009, 05:54 PM

Fair enough, but I'm not a fan of dual booting, I'm not experienced enough with partitioning, and I only have one PC, and tbh I the more i think of going back to XP, the more I remember the misery of viruses.

Give Wubi a shot then. Instead of sitting on its own partition, Ubuntu sits on a "virtual hard drive", a file on your Windows installation. Don't like it? Easy as hitting up Add/Remove programs in the XP control panel. You'll get a very minor hard drive performance hit as you're working with a virtual disk on an NTFS partition, but it's 100% identical otherwise.

Just get XP installed and running, then pop in the Ubuntu disc. The program that autoruns has a Wubi installation option. Your Windows partition shows up in the Linux filesystem under.. mmmm /host/windows if I recall. Something like that. Handy for sharing audio/video files, etc. When the system boots, just pick which one you want to load into. Easy.

Tamlynmac

February 4th, 2009, 06:03 PM

RaiCoss
hikaricore, like i said in the private message, stop dictating people!!

This statement implies previous communications. :-k

My post to you was not a flame and your response did not indicate you viewed it as a such. I believe you understood that I was simply endeavoring to point out the obvious (my reality anyway). I also defined that I understood your frustration - but suggested continuation was illogical and a waste of time (In My Opinion). Even my previous response to your OP (22 hours ago) was basically nothing more than a "Use What Works For You" note.

Yet hikaricore posted his remarks right after I responded.

Just seemed odd.

RaiCoss

February 4th, 2009, 06:05 PM

Give Wubi a shot then. Instead of sitting on its own partition, Ubuntu sits on a "virtual hard drive", a file on your Windows installation. Don't like it? Easy as hitting up Add/Remove programs in the XP control panel. You'll get a very minor hard drive performance hit as you're working with a virtual disk on an NTFS partition, but it's 100% identical otherwise.

Just get XP installed and running, then pop in the Ubuntu disc. The program that autoruns has a Wubi installation option. Your Windows partition shows up in the Linux filesystem under.. mmmm /host/windows if I recall. Something like that. Handy for sharing audio/video files, etc. When the system boots, just pick which one you want to load into. Easy.

Hmmmm I've read about WUBI before before never really looked into it, thanks for the explanation, but I also wouldn't trust XP as a host system, it goes down way to easily.

A second hard drive isn't a possibility as the space is taken up with a multicard reader, would an external harddrive be of any use??

RaiCoss

February 4th, 2009, 06:11 PM

This statement implies previous communications. :-k

My post to you was not a flame and your response did not indicate you viewed it as a such. I believe you understood that I was simply endeavoring to point out the obvious (my reality anyway). I also defined that I understood your frustration - but suggested continuation was illogical and a waste of time (In My Opinion). Even my previous response to your OP (22 hours ago) was basically nothing more than a "Use What Works For You" note.

Yet hikaricore posted his remarks right after I responded.

Just seemed odd.

the hikaricore guy has posted in the WINE section this message:~

************************************************** *********************************
"This forum is for asking for help and helping others with WINE.
Under no circumstances is it to be used as a soapbox for personal vendettas against WINE, WINE users, or the WINE development team.

There have been several posts lately that cross this line and it is not acceptable behavior on the Ubuntu Forums.

If the other forum staff and I come across any posts of this nature they may be removed and if necessary you will receive an infraction on your account."

-

Since I posted this yesterday I have personally been accused of censorship.
This is not the case...I'm simply looking out for the integrity of this forum and its users.
Verbal assaults of WINE, WINE users, or the WINE development team offer
no help to anyone and just serve to confuse or upset other forum members.
************************************************** **********************************

I messaged him and said that I didn't think it was fair to censor peoples comment's because they were negative.

And I think the bottom paragraph of that quote is because of me XD

jbysmith

February 4th, 2009, 06:18 PM

Hmmmm I've read about WUBI before before never really looked into it, thanks for the explanation, but I also wouldn't trust XP as a host system, it goes down way to easily.

A second hard drive isn't a possibility as the space is taken up with a multicard reader, would a external harddrive be of any use??

As long as the drive is available at boot time, shouldn't matter where you put it. (IE, it can't be on a drive that's only available after Windows loads a special driver, as it won't be loading Windows when it boots into it. If the XP installer sees that external drive, then Wubi will be good to go. If not, it's not going to work.)

You can put the thing on your primary drive and just back it up like any other Windows directory however. As far as Windows is concerned, its just a few files on the hard drive. Drag and drop onto your backup drive and off you go.

This is still technically dual booting by the way; Windows won't be available when Linux is running, and vice-versa. Just an easier installation method. Partitioning isn't that hard though; when you install XP, just reserve some space beforehand; when it asks just don't let the XP partition take the whole drive. Save however much gigabytes you see fit. When it comes time for Ubuntu, tell it to use the free space, and it'll take care of the rest. Once that's done you'll get that same boot menu asking which OS to boot into.

Tamlynmac

February 4th, 2009, 06:52 PM

RaiCoss
Verbal assaults of WINE, WINE users, or the WINE development team offer
no help to anyone and just serve to confuse or upset other forum members.That's admirable?

Thank You for your response. I better understand.

Basically, don't complain about Wine in the Wine section of the forum. That explains how you got here and maybe why the attitude. :smile:

Seriously, Good Luck.

jbysmith
As long as the drive is available at boot timeI've never dual booted and would like to ask it's if necessary to assure the new drive is recognized by the BIOS and the boot sequence established? In other words, how will Windows find the drive if it's not in the boot sequence? Will it recognize that the drive exists initally?
I could look it up - just thought maybe you could explain.

jbysmith

February 4th, 2009, 07:09 PM

I've never dual booted and would like to ask it's if necessary to assure the new drive is recognized by the BIOS and the boot sequence established? In other words, how will Windows find the drive if it's not in the boot sequence? Will it recognize that the drive exists initally?
I could look it up - just thought maybe you could explain.

I just meant that there will be no drivers loaded when it tries to boot any operating system. Whatever it boots from has to be visible to your BIOS. External USB, SCSI and the like more often than not will work on anything remotely current. A lot of times, 1394/Firewire drives for example will not; the BIOS just won't know what to do with it. This can vary wildly depending on who built your system, how old it is, etc etc. The reason Windows/Linux can see it is that it loads a driver later. Usable yes, bootable no. The first thing that happens is that BIOS attempts to read the boot loaders off of various devices; if BIOS can't see it, it's not going to boot. Doesn't matter in the least what drive letter Windows assigns it, as that's purely something that's arbitrarily assigned; Linux won't care less as it'll store all the devices in one unified file system.

Easier way to check. Get into your BIOS setup. There's typically an option set for the boot order. Don't mess with it, just see what options you have. You'll be able to specify what devices to try and boot from, and what order if the first device isn't available. You'll typically see stuff like CD/DVD ROM, IDE/SATA drives, SCSI, floppy if your system is a geezer like me, probably USB and network. If the type of device you want to boot from isn't listed, it's not going to work.

This only applies to the /boot partition as I understand it.. someone correct me if I got this wrong. Once /boot is loaded off of a BIOS compatible medium, you can pretty much store the rest of the OS anywhere you please as long as a viable Linux driver exists for the device.

Did I get this right? I think so; someone point out if I got it botched up. I'm only semi-awake, and possibly coming off as a crazy person babbling about flux capacitors and the like.

solwic

February 4th, 2009, 07:32 PM

the hikaricore guy has posted in the WINE section this message:~

************************************************** *********************************
"This forum is for asking for help and helping others with WINE.
Under no circumstances is it to be used as a soapbox for personal vendettas against WINE, WINE users, or the WINE development team.

There have been several posts lately that cross this line and it is not acceptable behavior on the Ubuntu Forums.

If the other forum staff and I come across any posts of this nature they may be removed and if necessary you will receive an infraction on your account."

-

Since I posted this yesterday I have personally been accused of censorship.
This is not the case...I'm simply looking out for the integrity of this forum and its users.
Verbal assaults of WINE, WINE users, or the WINE development team offer
no help to anyone and just serve to confuse or upset other forum members.
************************************************** **********************************

I messaged him and said that I didn't think it was fair to censor peoples comment's because they were negative.

And I think the bottom paragraph of that quote is because of me XD

Here's the rule about mods: it's their world, and if they want to shut you up, they will.

Personally, I see his point. The Wine section is for - rather cleverly - help with Wine. It's not a soapbox, or a forum for complaints. That's what this forum, Testimonials and Experiences, is for (at least it's supposed to be).

But don't pick on the mods. It's not a democracy, as was pointed out to me recently. Basically the forum staff have modeled their policy after American policy from 2001 to 2009: they'll do what they want, and @#$! you if you don't like it. :P

Tamlynmac

February 4th, 2009, 11:23 PM

jrock612
Here's the rule about mods: it's their world, and if they want to shut you up, they will.

Personally, I see his point. The Wine section is for - rather cleverly - help with Wine. It's not a soapbox, or a forum for complaints. That's what this forum, Testimonials and Experiences, is for (at least it's supposed to be). But don't pick on the mods. It's not a democracy, as was pointed out to me recently. Basically the forum staff have modeled their policy after American policy from 2001 to 2009: they'll do what they want, and @#$! you if you don't like it. :razz:

Next time you must "share with us how you really feel".:smile:

A subsection of the form specifically dedicated to Wine. However, as the OP apparently found out - just don't complain about it in that section. OK,

I don't recall ever investigating that section of the forum. I run Ubuntu exclusively and have no desire to install Wine or run Windows programs. Having said that, I also realize, that particular app may be a useful tool for some individuals that are not inclined (for what ever reason) to dual boot.

I simply found it odd that the mod chose to chime in - right on the heels of my post. My post was not a flame and I don't believe the OP perceived it as such (based on his reaction). Probably just a coincidence or that paranoia thing again. ;)

solwic

February 5th, 2009, 12:22 AM

Next time you must "share with us how you really feel".:smile:

:lolflag:

pirate_tux

February 5th, 2009, 12:48 AM

hikaricore, like i said in the private message, stop dictating people!!

They criticised me, so what?? I'm a big boy, I can take criticism, let them say whay they want....

Get a life!

This post of you is full of hypocrisy!

Because of you I have taken a completely unfair "infraction point"!

"Infractions" are non-sense decisions like this, that constitute an insult to everyone's intelligence!

But I fear no one and I will always defend freedom of speech.

Also from now on I will have an eye on you RaiCoss!

SuperSonic4

February 5th, 2009, 01:02 AM

Have you thought about running the LTS of hardy with wine 1.0 ?

travmon69

February 5th, 2009, 01:32 AM

IMHO This thread should be closed.

Crafty Kisses

February 5th, 2009, 03:47 AM

I don't think it should be closed, it's been kind of civil so far. I think it's been a good read so far.

RaiCoss

February 5th, 2009, 06:40 AM

Get a life!

This post of you is full of hypocrisy!

Because of you I have taken a completely unfair "infraction point"!

"Infractions" are non-sense decisions like this, that constitute an insult to everyone's intelligence!

But I fear no one and I will always defend freedom of speech.

Also from now on I will have an eye on you RaiCoss!

Ok a few things:~

1) How exactly is that post hypocrisy?

2)What the hell is an infraction point?

3)If an infraction point is some form of punishment, then why did you receive it? because you criticised me? how utterly pathetic. I thought two of the core principles of Linux where freedom and openness, its a crying shame that the boards used by its userbase aren't governed by the same honourable ideals.

4)You will "have an eye on me", so what? I couldn't care less, unless your a moderator, or have influence over one, you can do nothing, or say nothing that will affect me in any way, and even if you could, why?? Because some over sensitive moderator took exception to your comment??
Blame them not me¬¬

5)What would be the point in going back to Hardy LTS, when that always got the same bug as I have now, except it suffered it even worse??

solwic

February 5th, 2009, 10:25 AM

I thought two of the core principles of Linux where freedom and openness, its a crying shame that the boards used by its userbase aren't governed by the same honourable ideals.

You actually have a point here. The only thing in this post I agree with.

The rest of it...let it go. You didn't make him write anything, and arguing with him, I promise, will not convince him of anything or change his mind. So why bother?

:)

pocherin

February 5th, 2009, 10:30 AM

Just make sure you don't install Vista or Windows 7. Stick to XP until MS "suggests" you to downgrade to any of the new OS's by not giving any support whatsoever. Good luck.

Tamlynmac

February 5th, 2009, 01:09 PM

jrock612
You actually have a point here. The only thing in this post I agree with.

The rest of it...let it go. You didn't make him write anything, and arguing with him, I promise, will not convince him of anything or change his mind. So why bother?

Imagine arguing in this section of the forum.:lolflag:

To RaiCoss

The mod issued the penalty, not you. I believe pirate_tux was just upset for receiving it and made you the target of his frustration. However, jrock612 is right. I doubt anything you say will improve the situation.

solwic

February 5th, 2009, 01:11 PM

Just make sure you don't install Vista or Windows 7. Stick to XP until MS "suggests" you to downgrade to any of the new OS's by not giving any support whatsoever. Good luck.

+1. I used Vista for about 6 months before I sold it on Amazon.com. I hated it. When I realized that XP was still better, I drifted back to it. But even XP wears on you after a while. I didn't have virus trouble, or spyware/badware trouble...just got sick of it.

As for Microsoft "suggesting" a "downgrade"...I think pulling the plug on XP is the best thing they could do. It'll drive people to Mac or Linux, either of which is better, in my opinion, than Microsoft.

Anyway.... :)

RaiCoss

February 5th, 2009, 04:35 PM

I wasn't arguing, I was replying to his post.

solwic

February 5th, 2009, 05:40 PM

Imagine arguing in this section of the forum.:lolflag:

I know. It staggers the imagination, right? :wink:

To RaiCoss

The mod issued the penalty, not you. I believe pirate_tux was just upset for receiving it and made you the target of his frustration. However, jrock612 is right. I doubt anything you say will improve the situation.

There you go again: saying I'm right, agreeing with me, +1'ing my posts....

Who are you, and where is Tamlynmac? :razz:

Tamlynmac

February 5th, 2009, 06:41 PM

jrock612
There you go again: saying I'm right, agreeing with me, +1'ing my posts....

Who are you, and where is Tamlynmac? :p

Obviously, I've had a positive impact of you thought processes.:wink:

Wasn't much choice, as your answer was rational (which I found refreshing). :p

Logic suggested that any alternative responses could potentially create even more turmoil in this thread. But I think you knew that.

RaiCoss

February 5th, 2009, 06:44 PM

Obviously, I've had a positive impact of you thought processes.:wink:

Wasn't much choice, as your answer was rational (which I found refreshing). :p

Logic suggested that any alternative responses could potentially create even more turmoil in this thread. But I think you knew that.

LOL, what turmoil??

Tamlynmac

February 5th, 2009, 07:07 PM

RaiCoss
LOL, what turmoil??

I doubt, after reading my response jrock612 will concern himself with the word turmoil. However, this thread has been entertaining.

He and I have sparred numerous times and to his credit - occasionally, he actually makes logical statements. The number of times we have disagreed, it was done (I believe) respectfully by both. When opinions differ, it doesn't necessarily require confrontation or mud slinging. Often individuals can simple agree to disagree. Seems a logical and rational solution to a difference of opinion. Endeavoring to force someone to accept your opinion or belittle them on this forum, may result in an infraction. :smile:

solwic

February 5th, 2009, 07:48 PM

I doubt, after reading my response jrock612 will concern himself with the word turmoil. However, this thread has been entertaining.

TURMOIL?!?!?! You %#@^%#$ %#@$%^@#@ ^%$#^%$# @@^%#@@!! @%!!@!%!@ !!!!!!!!!!!!! :razz:

He and I have sparred numerous times and to his credit - occasionally, he actually makes logical statements. The number of times we have disagreed, it was done (I believe) respectfully by both. When opinions differ, it doesn't necessarily require confrontation or mud slinging. Often individuals can simple agree to disagree. Seems a logical and rational solution to a difference of opinion. Endeavoring to force someone to accept your opinion or belittle them on this forum, may result in an infraction. :smile:

Well said. One of the occasional times you made a logical statement. :P

That's the whole point with these forums: agree to disagree. You have to have thick skin and a very big sense of humor, not only to laugh at the occasional idiotic post, or the idiot who posted it, but also you have to be able to laugh at yourself and not take yourself too seriously. :)

If you can keep an open mind and a laugh on the tip of your tongue, you've got the world by the cajones. :)

Danbd

February 5th, 2009, 08:14 PM

dont do it!!!!! noooooooooo!!

you'll die of boredom with windows!!!!!

RaiCoss

February 5th, 2009, 08:20 PM

dont do it!!!!! noooooooooo!!

you'll die of boredom with windows!!!!!

Lol, I didn't. I'm trying Linux Mint 6!

pirate_tux

February 5th, 2009, 09:28 PM

Ok a few things:~

1) How exactly is that post hypocrisy?

2)What the hell is an infraction point?

3)If an infraction point is some form of punishment, then why did you receive it? because you criticised me? how utterly pathetic. I thought two of the core principles of Linux where freedom and openness, its a crying shame that the boards used by its userbase aren't governed by the same honourable ideals.

4)You will "have an eye on me", so what? I couldn't care less, unless your a moderator, or have influence over one, you can do nothing, or say nothing that will affect me in any way, and even if you could, why?? Because some over sensitive moderator took exception to your comment??
Blame them not me¬¬

5)What would be the point in going back to Hardy LTS, when that always got the same bug as I have now, except it suffered it even worse??

If it weren't you who demanded the ridiculus and unfair "infraction point" I have received, please accept my apologies.

I also totally agree with your statement about dictatorship:
«I thought two of the core principles of Linux where freedom and openness, its a crying shame that the boards used by its userbase aren't governed by the same honourable ideals.»

RaiCoss

February 5th, 2009, 09:57 PM

If it weren't you who demanded the ridiculus and unfair "infraction point" I have received, please accept my apologies.

I also totally agree with your statement about dictatorship:
«I thought two of the core principles of Linux where freedom and openness, its a crying shame that the boards used by its userbase aren't governed by the same honourable ideals.»

Accepted!! Good man for having the guts to apologise.

Cope57

February 5th, 2009, 10:08 PM

For those going back to Windows, go visit their forum, and tell them we sent you. http://forums.microsoft.com

Tamlynmac

February 6th, 2009, 10:55 AM

jrock612
Well said. One of the occasional times you made a logical statement. :razz:

This is intolerable - we agreed again. I actually made a copy of this and am considering adding to my background. :lol:

One of us is apparently improving their ability to tolerate a different point of view.- it must be you, as I've never been accused of that before.
:lolflag:

solwic

February 6th, 2009, 03:55 PM

This is intolerable - we agreed again. I actually made a copy of this and am considering adding to my background. :lol:

One of us is apparently improving their ability to tolerate a different point of view.- it must be you, as I've never been accused of that before.
:lolflag:

:lolflag:

RaiCoss

February 7th, 2009, 04:36 PM

:lolflag:

Congratulations on an amicable end to your argument =P

xrdguy

February 7th, 2009, 10:54 PM

I love ubuntu, but i think ubuntu 8.10 has some glitch with kernel update or something as it broke nvidia graphics. so i revert back to 8.04 and good thing is that it is LTS. so no worries for couple of years but will give a shot for 9.04. I install tahoma font and use sub pixel rendering for ubuntu, which gives me the best looking smooth fonts on ubuntu as compared to windows. I have tried vista and even windows 7, but I am never happy with vista taking 20 GB for installation and always taking more than 1 GB ram for nothing special running. I am not windows noob so i know how to customize programs. I dont use any windows specific program. the only reason i use windows is when i need to use office 2007 as I dont like openoffice at all. I never do online banking while i am on windows as i never feel safe.

Yeah buddy, if you wanna go back to Xp, then good luck for you. Linux is about freedom even it means freedom to go. lol

icyest

February 8th, 2009, 01:28 AM

I actually (dare I say it) may be able to sympathize with RaiCoss, even though I am a 100% Linux user.

This man must have encountered random little glitches that were hard to describe (like the black screen of death), or glitches with rightclicking since screenshots cannot take images when you have righclick activated. Not to mention the huge bluetooth issues in 8.10. I commonly hear issues with the window titlebars changing to funky colors, or "save as" windows opening with a very small window. There are numerous little problems that I've encountered but never bothered to report them thinking that they must be just one-time minor glitches.

He's not the first I've seen. People have quit linux because it was just too difficult to maintain. Now, it may be easy for you guys (the Ubuntu Community) where we have people who have taken college courses in compu-sci or know something about how a computer works, but there are people out there who are willing to see XP's universalness in the computing world as a viable reason to switch back to M$.

May you're computer forgive you RaiCoss. Peace.

ambidextrousone

February 8th, 2009, 06:31 AM

how are you feeling about ubuntu now raicross, is it still being a pain?? ive had plenty of problems too since starting, mainly just strange compatibility issues with some/most 3d applications, but, im not a huge gamer.

i honestly think you might be better off with a duel boot, i would even be tempted to download all service packs and other updates seperate, a windows without a net connection is not a threat to itself!

with that in mind though, ill be setting up a duel boot for a friend of mine soon, and ill be trying to push http://www.litepc.com/ on there!!! windows xp.. under 400mb, yes pleaaaase!!!

stalkingwolf

February 8th, 2009, 09:10 AM

i honestly think you might be better off with a duel boot,

Please he is having major problems with 1 OS. What will he do with 2
fighting OS's?

Dual boot might however be an answer:D

ambidextrousone

February 8th, 2009, 09:31 AM

just thought it may suit raicross's gaming demands, as much as it saddens me to suggest windows in ANY context :(

RaiCoss

February 8th, 2009, 09:58 AM

just thought it may suit raicross's gaming demands, as much as it saddens me to suggest windows in ANY context :(

Huh, I've not gone back to Windows XP, I switched to Linux Mint 6, and it's awesome!! Quite a lot quicker than Ubuntu for some reason, even though it's based upon it. I've also updated the graphic's driver from 177 to 180, and it didn't break anything =D

<snipped the mention of pirated XP>

Rumbl3

February 8th, 2009, 12:21 PM

windows xp is good i'll admit the only ms os i will say is good. No clue why they decided to release that vista junk tried that for two days on a new laptop i had got came preinstalled and removed it cause it was full of fail.

but i just moved to linux like 2 months ago slowly now i use it 99% of my day.

Now i consider myself a linux gamer (was a hardcore windows gamer) to be honest i got sick of all the new games being released on pc that weren't "finished" They come out insanely buggy, games like gta 4 that don't work for the life of it. So i been doing mainly old skool online gaming. Old skool games work (quake 3 engine stuff and older). I don't get tons of problems with them.

So here i am linux gamer. Good luck with xp it's good i just got tired of the bs with new games.

As for ubuntu i've not had one problem, except running say insane windows effects and gaming at the sametime tends to make the games run slow and seem like bullets are a tad off when i turn them off it screams.

After my experience with ubuntu for the last 2 months i've convinced my boss to look into switching are shops machines over to it. Because we mainly do database etc for parts and i get sick of once a week fixing and purging viruses and other nasty things from all the computers because of the office people. Plus we can leave are server running then for more then 2 days without restarts lol.

btw i don't dl from torrents but try out nlite u can chop xp up with it and stream line whatever u want into it. I used it at work when we brought the manufacturing side of the shop online on old rusty computers.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=481858
Some freebies for u on your ventures to xp. Forum that i usually hang out on besides here. When i used to use windows a lot i used majority of this stuff.

xpod

February 8th, 2009, 01:57 PM

or glitches with rightclicking since screenshots cannot take images when you have righclick activated.

You can if you set a delay.

mistypotato

February 8th, 2009, 03:25 PM

On my WindowsXP machine I just installed the new LINUX emulator for windows and now my XP runs better than ever.

Tamlynmac

February 8th, 2009, 04:03 PM

RaiCoss
Huh, I've not gone back to Windows XP, I switched to Linux Mint 6, and it's awesome!!

I am glad to hear you stayed. Have never used Linux Mint, I've read a number of post from people who found it fit their system and was fully functional.

I really don't enjoy watching people return to the evil empire. But if that's what works for them. So be it.

3rdalbum

February 9th, 2009, 07:11 AM

I love ubuntu, but i think ubuntu 8.10 has some glitch with kernel update or something as it broke nvidia graphics.

If you installed the Nvidia driver from www.nvidia.com rather than from Hardware Drivers, then you will need to reinstall the Nvidia driver each time you update the kernel. Stick to Hardware Drivers if possible, as it keeps the Nvidia driver in sync with the kernel version. Or buy an ATI 4800-series card when the open-source 3D drivers come out :-)

fugazi32

February 9th, 2009, 07:19 AM

Congratulations, that is one of the single dumbest thing I have ever read on a forum.

And yeah I am (trying!) to play games on the PC at the moment, but then again I've broken my leg, so there's really very little else to do atm.

And as for bug's I'm getting the same Ubuntu breaking bug I got on Hardy, whenever I open Add/Remove or Synaptic, the whole system slows down hideously, and the only way to reset is hard reset, as the system becomes to slow to do it with the mouse.

WINE 1.0 on Hardy used to run things great, I could pretty much run anything quite happily, but 1.0.1+ are just to buggy and glitchy.

Oh and then there's the fact that when you play an movie file, and pull it rewind any, 5 out of 10 times the audio will go out of sync with the video.

Firefox is way too slow when theres any a heavy amount of flash content on a page, now I know that the Linux version of flash isn't as a robust as the Windows version but still, it should be better than it is.
And firefox is just generally to resource hungry on Linux (75% CPU usage on just the google homepage?)

Then there's having to compile software, not fun in the least. The fact that I can't just simply install the latest nVidia driver like I could in Windows, I have yet to find a way to manually install the drivers in ubuntu without breaking my install.

The lack of a shockwave plugin for firefox on linux, and yeah I know that I can install the Windows version under WINE, but that's kinda defeating the object, and running the Windows version also tend's to be glitchy.....

And as for the comment on Windows XP being overblown and expensive or w/e, it was given to me, so it was actually cheaper than linux, as it didn't cost me the price of a cd to burn. As for viruses, that was the only reason I left XP, and what is making me hesistant in returning to it.
All i wanna do is USE my pc, not report bugs, compile software, be told by my ISP's technical support that they can't help me because they don't support linux, have to go hunting round forums for answers to technical issues(which I never faced with XP, although I have to say the Ubuntu forums are awesome, and always helpful!!)

But the point is I love Ubuntu and linux in general, I've grown accustomed to GNOME's layout and sheer flexibilty (I don't really like KDE) and customizability, I love not having to worry about stupid, stupid viruses/malware/spyware/wtfware,I like not having to install CPU/SOUND/NETWORK/WIRELESS drivers,I like the whole ethos of the OS, but i just want it to WORK!!! No stupid unexplainable glitches, no WINE refusing to work, no website saying "sorrryyyyyyyyyyyyy we don't support linux".....I JUST WANT IT TO BE U-S-A-B-L-E, nothing more, nothing less.

Oh yeah and Compiz is too buggy too ¬¬

You mention about the memory issue - I used Xubuntu, it uses Xfce which is light-weight and not as power-hungry as Gnome/KDE.

jrusso2

February 9th, 2009, 09:32 PM

You mention about the memory issue - I used Xubuntu, it uses Xfce which is light-weight and not as power-hungry as Gnome/KDE.

The way Xubuntu does XFCE makes it hardly worth it in terms of being light weight or faster. Its only slightly faster and lighter then gnome.

unplugged23

February 9th, 2009, 09:49 PM

Sounds like you didn't give it much of a chance. If you're already biased to the OS from the start and don't care to give it much of an effort I'm not sorry to see you go. I guess ubuntu was only meant for those who can understand that you have to put work into something to get good return, and to cant expect new things to run perfectly the first time around.

za.zen

February 9th, 2009, 10:19 PM

I guess ubuntu was only meant for those who can understand that you have to put work into something to get good return, and to cant expect new things to run perfectly the first time around.

You do have to put some "wrench-time" in to Ubuntu if you want it to work with all the bells and whistles. As for running perfectly the first time around, well, it did for me. I don't think it's too much to expect, either.

At the very least, it is an admirable goal towards which we all might strive. Yes? :)

djsephiroth

February 17th, 2009, 12:26 PM

But its not for everybody. For someone who relies on Windows based software on a daily basis, Windows would be the better option. Sure Wine covers some of it, but not all. There's open source alternatives to various commercialware, but not all, or just not as good as the paid versions. (I admit it, I like Microsoft Office 2007 in a VM better than OpenOffice. There I said it.) If Windows software is what you need, then the smart choice is to run Windows. It's got nothing to do with evil overlord corporations, the open source movement and the like.. if you use something that's not working for you, you're just shooting yourself in the foot.

But what drives me absolutely batsh't are Linux users that brag about having the freedom of choice... then go into flamethrower mode when somebody chooses something that's not Linux. His choice is only right if it's what you would choose? How is that freedom of choice? Hypocrisy at its finest. If you believe in freedom of choice, then you have to be fine with somebody using something even though you think he's wrong. Otherwise you're just spouting crap.
Someone mod this person, seriously. Excellent words.

jso2897

February 17th, 2009, 04:46 PM

One thing I would like to see people get past is the all too prevalent paradigm that one must "switch to" or "choose" an operating system.
Hard drives are huge and cheap. Second computers of adequate power are cheap or free. No one needs to "choose" an operating system. I use all three - Ubuntu for websurfing, business and media, windows for gaming, and OSX for mac specific apps like QT or iTunes. And I am a technological troglodyte. I do not have the L33T SKILLZ, by any stretch of the imagination. It's easy, or I couldn't do it.
Why anyone would feel that they need to limit themselves to one O/S is beyond me. It's like cuffing your hands and feet together and then jumping into a swimming pool and complaining that you can't swim.

solwic

February 17th, 2009, 05:32 PM

whoop

February 17th, 2009, 05:46 PM

Maybe it's just me but I find it strange when people post this kind of message in the forum.
Why would you want to tell us that you are switching (back) to windows?
Some threads even indirectly imply that it is our fault (whatever "our" means). Some are even an indirect threat (like: help me or I will switch back to windows).

I won't speak for all of us but: I don't really care, the community is robust enough without you.

I like ubuntu; I like to help people if I can, no matter what OS you use; I like it when I am stuck and someone helps me. That's it.

solwic

February 17th, 2009, 06:31 PM

I won't speak for all of us but: I don't really care, the community is robust enough without you.

Therein lies the problem. We don't have to help people who threaten to go back to Windows, no matter how they phrase it. We are not servants, nor are we paid support staff.

We don't have to help them, convince or beg them to stay, or respond to their ultimatums.

But I think we should care. When I think of a group of people who don't give a rat's fart whether or not the end user is happy, I think of Microsoft. Not this community. We don't want to be like them, do we?

JMO.

z.s.tar.gz

February 17th, 2009, 06:54 PM

How in the world did this become 11 pages? It was just a person installing windows because they wanted to play games!

whoop

February 17th, 2009, 07:09 PM

Therein lies the problem. We don't have to help people who threaten to go back to Windows, no matter how they phrase it. We are not servants, nor are we paid support staff.

We don't have to help them, convince or beg them to stay, or respond to their ultimatums.

But I think we should care. When I think of a group of people who don't give a rat's fart whether or not the end user is happy, I think of Microsoft. Not this community. We don't want to be like them, do we?

JMO.

I care about somebody being unhappy with something in ubuntu, I care about constructive criticism on ubuntu. I don't care if someone switches to windows (and find it futile to be informed of it).
There's a big difference there.

solwic

February 17th, 2009, 07:12 PM

I care about somebody being unhappy with something in ubuntu, I care about constructive criticism on ubuntu. I don't care if someone switches to windows (and find it futile to be informed of it).
There's a big difference there.

That there is.

InFeh

February 18th, 2009, 04:51 AM

So we can spam in here? :D
omg i haet ubuntu 4 crashing evry tim i instal next alpha witout disaebling proprietarie glx driverz.

Tamlynmac

February 18th, 2009, 06:13 AM

jrock612
Therein lies the problem. We don't have to help people who threaten to go back to Windows, no matter how they phrase it. We are not servants, nor are we paid support staff.

We don't have to help them, convince or beg them to stay, or respond to their ultimatums.

But I think we should care. When I think of a group of people who don't give a rat's fart whether or not the end user is happy, I think of Microsoft. Not this community. We don't want to be like them, do we?

That sounds rhetorical.
We don't have to help abrasive argumentative people who attempt to degrade and demean the product (Ubuntu), but we should feel guilty for not caring as that behavior emulates MS. So I can refuse to help them, as long as I feel guilty?

Could you please define this. I'm really confused here - and no cracks about my being confused either.:lolflag: I know your thinking them. :)

hello_kitty

February 18th, 2009, 06:20 AM

Unfortunately, not everyone is going to like Ubuntu. To each, his own, I suppose.

fabietto0102

February 18th, 2009, 06:28 AM

Hi, this thread is real spam! you switching back to WinXP? Fine, you have the democratic freedom to do that. It doesn't mean Ubuntu ain't any good: I had OSX and didn't like it at all, although it said to be the best OS!

I officially ask a moderator to delete this spam thread, please, and to leave more forum space for real problems and not cry-babies.

sharon.gmc

February 18th, 2009, 06:40 AM

I was planning to go back to windows or maybe try Vista. But I decided against it. I like Linux better but I'm still using Ubuntu.

solwic

February 18th, 2009, 12:16 PM

That sounds rhetorical.
We don't have to help abrasive argumentative people who attempt to degrade and demean the product (Ubuntu), but we should feel guilty for not caring as that behavior emulates MS. So I can refuse to help them, as long as I feel guilty?

Could you please define this. I'm really confused here - and no cracks about my being confused either.:lolflag: I know your thinking them. :)

:lolflag: I would have said that you're naturally confused, but since you said no cracks about the fact that you're naturally confused.... :P

Seriously, I'm not saying we should feel guilty. I'm saying that we ought to at least be concerned that so many people leave Ubuntu that way, and ask ourselves what exactly is pushing them out the door? Are they simply not ready? Or is it something else, something we can affect?

Simply saying, "**ck it, I don't care," is - I think - negligent and churlish. We don't have to help them when they whine and cry and make threats and ultimatums, and we don't have to try and talk them into sticking around if they don't want to.

But we at least ought to take a look and see if there's something that made them leave that we can fix.

Not caring, to me, simply doesn't cut it.

Just my opinion, though. I'm not saying I'm right. It's just what I believe. :)

EDIT: Which, to clarify, means that in a roundabout way we should care if somebody goes back to XP. Not because they went back to XP, but because they may be telling us what's wrong with this OS/Community. Rather than writing them off as "trolls" (which I think is pathetic and lame), perhaps we can take their negative energy and negative post and turn it into something positive. Turn it into an improvement, rather than a pointless, meandering thread about the merits of using either OS that, in the end, accomplishes nothing.

JMO. :)

blackrockzig

February 18th, 2009, 11:42 PM

I can't take anymore retarded glitches under Linux or WINE, its beyond stupid >,>

Peace!

Tamlynmac

February 19th, 2009, 12:00 AM

jrock612

That wasn't so hard. :smile:

But we at least ought to take a look and see if there's something that made them leave that we can fix.

Well said, I would agree for the most part. I do take exception to those that come to this section of the forum posting inflammatory remarks, expecting assistance. The forum has specific sections for that purpose. I'm often annoyed but some that post in this section, in an attempt to circumvent the assistance process. However, that's a separate issue.

thiebaude

February 19th, 2009, 08:39 PM

It's time to close this thread, also, lol

solwic

February 19th, 2009, 08:54 PM

It's time to close this thread, also, lol

Yes, why not stifle open discussions? +1 on the totally unnecessary thread closure.

If ya can't beat 'em.... :rolleyes:

Tamlynmac

February 20th, 2009, 02:00 AM

jrock612
If ya can't beat 'em.... :rolleyes:Join them? It is interesting when some threads are allowed to run their course, while others are closed. Guess we all make choices.:wink:

wolfen69

February 20th, 2009, 02:20 AM

:lolflag: I would have said that you're naturally confused, but since you said no cracks about the fact that you're naturally confused.... :P

Seriously, I'm not saying we should feel guilty. I'm saying that we ought to at least be concerned that so many people leave Ubuntu that way, and ask ourselves what exactly is pushing them out the door? Are they simply not ready? Or is it something else, something we can affect?

Simply saying, "**ck it, I don't care," is - I think - negligent and churlish. We don't have to help them when they whine and cry and make threats and ultimatums, and we don't have to try and talk them into sticking around if they don't want to.

But we at least ought to take a look and see if there's something that made them leave that we can fix.

Not caring, to me, simply doesn't cut it.

Just my opinion, though. I'm not saying I'm right. It's just what I believe. :)

EDIT: Which, to clarify, means that in a roundabout way we should care if somebody goes back to XP. Not because they went back to XP, but because they may be telling us what's wrong with this OS/Community. Rather than writing them off as "trolls" (which I think is pathetic and lame), perhaps we can take their negative energy and negative post and turn it into something positive. Turn it into an improvement, rather than a pointless, meandering thread about the merits of using either OS that, in the end, accomplishes nothing.

JMO. :)

i've noticed you've become very articulate lately. :-k :twisted: