What will take over after widows dies?

[Dustin2128]

I'm thinking an initial foot hold of OS X in a few homes, and most buisineses, but linux has the majority of the home market, gradualy gaining buisness users. Does that sound accurate to any of you, or do you think that ReactOS will have a major surge in usage?

[zmjjmz]

After widows die, usually the people of the generation below them either inherit their estate or the family branch just kinda dies.


Seriously though, I see OS X being far more dominant. Windows isn't going anywhere soon though, and we may see some major operating systems appear before that happens.

[cardinals_fan]

I imagine it can be very hard on the children to lose both parents...

EDIT: zmjjmz beat me!

[Dustin2128]

argh, windows.

[cardinals_fan]

Anyway, what makes you think that Windows will "die"?

[Dustin2128]

there just seems to be a lot of hatred for windows, even among windows users, and thier products just seem to be getting crappier and crappier. and cause linux is free, compared to a couple hundred.

[cardinals_fan]

there just seems to be a lot of hatred for windows, even among windows users, and thier products just seem to be getting crappier and crappier. and cause linux is free, compared to a couple hundred.
Windows is preinstalled, and therefore has already been paid for.

[Dustin2128]

yes, they're preinstalled, but that adds a hundred plus dollars to the intial price of the computer.

[Sorivenul]

Windows will never die, only mutate. If Windows were to "die", it would be a strategic move by Microsoft to promote whatever new OS they may eventually come up with.

[-grubby]

I seriously doubt that Linux would gain more market share than Mac OS X IF this scenario ever happened.

[Grant A.]

Windows will never die, only mutate. If Windows were to "die", it would be a strategic move by Microsoft to promote whatever new OS they may eventually come up with.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/windows_7.png

Too late.

[Sorivenul]

Too late.
:lolflag:
I must have missed that.

[ajcham]

yes, they're preinstalled, but that adds a hundred plus dollars to the intial price of the computer.

Not in the eyes of the average consumer. He never sees the $100 cheaper computer, so for him the price he does see is the norm. If you extol the $0 price point of Linux as a virtue over Windows, many will retort that Windows came free with their PC.

[Giant Speck]

If I was to ask such a question, I'd rephrase it to "who will take over after Steve Balmer or Steve Jobs die?" or "what would happen to Microsoft and Apple if Steve Balmer or Steve Jobs were to die?"

[zmjjmz]

I seriously doubt that Linux would gain more market share than Mac OS X IF this scenario ever happened.

The only reason I don't like that is because it gives Apple a huge marketshare in terms of hardware, and since we know that hardware is a physical object and is thus recognizable by the archaic minds at the FTC, they'll get something going at them.

[ajcham]

"what would happen to … Apple if … Steve Jobs were to die?"

Well in last October's test run, it didn't look good: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/03/steve_jobs_heart_attack_rumor/

[zmjjmz]

Well in last October's test run, it didn't look good: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/03/steve_jobs_heart_attack_rumor/

As cracked.com put it, it's because "A majority of Apple's stockholders think that Apple is run by Steve Jobs in his garage" or something to that effect.

[cardinals_fan]

yes, they're preinstalled, but that adds a hundred plus dollars to the intial price of the computer.
I think it's usually ~$30-60. Anyway, that initial price is what people pay, rendering the point moot.

[jrusso2]

Around this time the Eloi's will be being raised and eaten like cattle by the Morelock's. So the answer would be the Morelock's.

[Tux Aubrey]

Around this time the Eloi's will be being raised and eaten like cattle by the Morelock's. So the answer would be the Morelock's.

Good point - and I know that a few of us will be looking forward to seeing Yvette Mimieux again.

:popcorn:

When Windows dies it will because the OS as we know it will be extinct - so no one takes over. Small embedded OSs will connect instantly to online apps and data. You may be using FOSS or proprietary stuff at any time without knowing about it - but your service provider will certainly bill you for whatever you touch. But I expect that there's still a bit of life in the old cow and MS will own cyberspace by then. They convince governments to gradually nobble the internet with censorship and DRM until 2020, when President Palin declares the first World Wide State of Cyber Emergency, shuts it down for good and hands the rights to MSGoogle Inc, now run by William Gates #727, the first of his clones to be released into the wild. Lithuanian radicals retaliate with a massive spam attack and dirty bombs, plunging the already overheated planet into centuries of nuclear winter. A race of canabalistic zombies evolves underground....and that's where we started!.

[ryclegman]

i highly doubt windows will ever go out. Plus with the windows 7 being pretty sweet its pretty unlikely.

[Twitch6000]

If windows were to somehow ever die...

I think Macintosh would easily take over.

Linux would then be the second class Os and OpenSolaris would be the one with 1-3% marketshare.

[oswaldkelso]

Windows is preinstalled, and therefore has already been paid for.

It's not installed until you accept the eula. Decline it and ask for a refund inline with the eula if you so desire.


YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS
EULA BY INSTALLING, COPYING, OR OTHERWISE
USING THE SOFTWARE. If you do not agree to
the terms of this EULA, you may not use or
copy the SOFTWARE, and you should promptly
contact Manufacturer for instructions on
return of the unused product(s) for a refund
in accordance with Manufacturer’s return
policies.

http://www.my2bits.org/?p=80

[Roberticus]

there just seems to be a lot of hatred for windows, even among windows users, and thier products just seem to be getting crappier and crappier. and cause linux is free, compared to a couple hundred.
A lot of hatred where? In an IT dep or tech savvy people, then maybe, but the rest? also maybe. Usually it is mostly because they have too clogged computers that drag the performance down. Even Ubuntu gets slow if you install loads of programs.

Try to convince the masses to use Linux when they are so into Windows and its routines. Yes I hear people complain Windows is crap or something, but if you show them the alternatives like Ubuntu, they just want to stay with Windows.
Personal experience: Some start to use Ubuntu, but most stay with Win after a while.

And Microsofts products getting crappier? What about windows 7? Lots of positive reviews and I myself really like it. I am waiting for the prime release so I can upgrade :)

[mamamia88]

i think ubuntu will take over if windows ever dies but i see windows as the bret farve of os's it will keep on going even as it gets progressively worse but still won't give up

[sdowney717]

Linux adoption will grow faster if windows developers develop their apps to run on linux.
The MS OS is really not that important anymore.
Linux will grow no matter what. If more people use linux, there will be more developer interest to create programs for users and the community naturally will increase.

[CLomax]

It's not installed until you accept the eula. Decline it and ask for a refund inline with the eula if you so desire.




http://www.my2bits.org/?p=80

I had to go through SO much trouble to make them take it back. At one point they even stated that there was nothing of the sort in the EULA.

[iKonaK]

GNU/Linux will rise soon, maybe not as soon as we would wanna but....
...end users seem to miss that no matter if they pay for windows, windows is not theirs it's microsoft, microsoft just let them use it in exchange of a fee but it will never be their os; same case with osX and apple, but with GNU/Linux you already own the os even if you don't use it, your copy of linux is yours not GNU not canonical, not redhat, not debian....sweet :P

[Maheriano]

Did anyone already mention Google as an operating system? I don't think it's far off.

[Cenotaph]

When Windows dies it will because the OS as we know it will be extinct - so no one takes over. Small embedded OSs will connect instantly to online apps and data.

and thats pretty much my thoughts also. Til then Windows (or any other Microsoft OS if they choose to change the brand's name) will remain the most popular OS, unless something catastrophic happens.

This embedded OS can be based on the linux kernel as it already happens in some cases, apple would love this kind of world since devices are their specialty (they would need to rethink their pricing policies though and steve jobs must get his health back cause they need him) and microsoft will adapt quickly, infact they are already very much active in this kind of thing, while Google will emerge in this market and of course a lot of other alternatives from the hardware manufacters and stuff like that. So pretty much, computers will change a lot in the next decades...

[zmjjmz]

Even Ubuntu gets slow if you install loads of programs.


Nope. There are two reasons why installing programs slows down Windows:
1) It fragments the hard disk, because the NTFS block allocator in Windows sucks.
2) Some really annoying programs insert themselves into the Startup entry.

[NoSmokingBandit]

I think Macintosh would easily take over.


I completely doubt this. People are used to paying 1/2 of what apple charges for a computer, and they are used to the OS not being tied to hardware. If MS dies alot of people will be reluctant to go buy new computers at double the price they are used to.

MS isnt going anywhere soon. If they do somehow drop off the face of the earth i wouldnt be surprised if google releases an OS. One that isnt restricted to exorbitantly priced hardware, that is.

[cardinals_fan]

Even Ubuntu gets slow if you install loads of programs.

Only if they load at startup.

[sydbat]

Nope. There are two reasons why installing programs slows down Windows:
1) It fragments the hard disk, because the NTFS block allocator in Windows sucks.
2) Some really annoying programs insert themselves into the Startup entry.You forgot

3) All programs install to the registry as well, and even if uninstalled, leave registry entries/artifacts that continue to try and access system files and program files that may or may not exist anymore.

Back on topic, I do not see Microsoft going anywhere soon, regardless of how Windows 7 turns out (shiny does not mean better)...nor do I see Apple taking over...as NoSmokingBandit eloquently puts itPeople are used to paying 1/2 of what apple charges for a computer, and they are used to the OS not being tied to hardware. If MS dies alot of people will be reluctant to go buy new computers at double the price they are used to.

[fistfullofroses]

First, I highly doubt that Windows will die. If there hadn't been a successor to Windows Vista announced so quickly, there may have been a chance for other OSes. As it stands, Windows 7 is a quality product. It will allow Microsoft to regain what losses they had incurred (so long as the price tag is reasonable). However, should Microsoft lose ground, you have it backwards.

GNU/Linux, BSD, and Solaris would take the business world by storm. GNU/Linux systems would also dominate the desktop world. Macintosh's OS X would have small claim on the desktop, server, workstation markets (larger than it is now, but not more than say 50%). Linux and other *nix systems already dominate the server market. It would be sensible to assume that in the event that Microsoft went bust, these systems would take the business market all together. People working in those businesses would most likely use whatever OS the company was using at home. Since most *nix systems are source compatible (though not binary) posting between them would be relatively easy. In this scenario, we can expect KDE to become the dominant desktop. BSD uses KDE as do many Linux distributions. Solaris would likely switch to KDE for compatibility and competitive reasons. I would also imagine that more GNU/Linux systems would take the GoboLinux approach to make their systems more similar to Windows and Macintosh OS X. If the Windows APIs were released to the public during the MS downturn this type of structure would make porting a bit easier too.

[CLomax]

In some ways I honestly hope that Windows doesn't die. In other ways it would be a good thing, don't get me wrong. But:

1. If Windows dies (assuming MS doesn't release another OS) there may be a massive influx of Linux users. This may seem like a good thing but...
> More users may attract more malware (correct me if I'm wrong). We can certainly do without that since that is one of the most important reasons we started using Linux.

2. Linux will be made so easy that there wouldn't be an element of skill worth any achievement. I love it when I find a problem and fix it myself, the need or ability may be removed once it starts being dumbed down for the 'average Joe'.

The good points however...

1. I won't receive calls asking people to fix a Windows machine only to be called back every month until I install Ubuntu.

2. Governments won't have as many options when spying on people through their backdoors. (Windows has backdoors specific to this. Mac might have them too, not sure though.)

3. One less money grubbing company feeding on the computer illiteracy of the general population with substandard software.

4. Nothing to be fanboyish about (Except Mac).

[fistfullofroses]

Are there really Microsoft fanboys?

[cmat]

I seriously doubt that Linux would gain more market share than Mac OS X IF this scenario ever happened.

Of course it will. There will be a lot of PC hardware laying around with crumbling version of Windows 2020.

[JawsThemeSwimming428]

Before I comment let me say that I don't think Windows will die in the forseeable future. They may change the name and look but it will still be the same old Redmond OS.
I don't think mass adoption of Linux is a good thing. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Linux gain more market share but I would never want it to become everywhere like Windows is. There are many downsides to this that have been named in the posts above. I do believe that Mac OSX would be the standard if Windows did in fact die simply because it is already out there and more people are familiar with it.

[CLomax]

Are there really Microsoft fanboys?

My college is saturated with them.

[oswaldkelso]

I had to go through SO much trouble to make them take it back. At one point they even stated that there was nothing of the sort in the EULA.

But you do get a refund? If you didn't sign a nda and would care to divulge how much did you get?

[CLomax]

But you do get a refund? If you didn't sign a nda and would care to divulge how much did you get?

Signed something but I neither know or care if it was an NDA. You can only get a refund if you haven't activated it. Got about £60 back... when they felt like it.

[fistfullofroses]

What is it with people? Yes, Windows is somewhat difficult to deal with due to malware and whatnot. Yes, there are easy ways to target a Windows machine. This is due partly to Windows massive install base, partly to flaws in design, and partly to legacy support. How much could you change an OS to make it more secure while at the same time maintaining compatibility with over 20 years of software?

Should GNU/Linux gain widespread acceptance, security exploits wouldn't be so harsh. A virus written for say, Debian might hurt just Debian and Debian respins. It may or may not hurt Ubuntu. The same could be said for Red Hat/Fedora and Blag/Mandriva/SuSE and so on. Most GNU/Linux distributions are not binary compatible with one another. The systems are so diverse that exploits would be incredibly hard to write. Further, we haven't a unified browser, file manager, OR ANYTHING ELSE. How would you go about writing an exploit for a totally and completely free-form OS?

[cardinals_fan]

Should GNU/Linux gain widespread acceptance, security exploits wouldn't be so harsh. A virus written for say, Debian might hurt just Debian and Debian respins. It may or may not hurt Ubuntu. The same could be said for Red Hat/Fedora and Blag/Mandriva/SuSE and so on. Most GNU/Linux distributions are not binary compatible with one another. The systems are so diverse that exploits would be incredibly hard to write. Further, we haven't a unified browser, file manager, OR ANYTHING ELSE. How would you go about writing an exploit for a totally and completely free-form OS?
A malevolent script can be written for any distro. "Just enter your password to install!!!"

[-kg-]

There's one other thing that hasn't been mentioned. Call me old and jaded; call me a conspiracy theorist or whatever you will.

Suppose that Micro$oft does die and go away, and one or more of the *nixes becomes the preeminent OS(es). Of course, as has been previously stated, the OS is "dumbed down" for the average Joe by a company who charges "a nominal fee" for the "service."

Capitalism being what it is, do you really think that, in view of the massive potential profits to be made on 100s of millions of computers worldwide, that they will let a little thing like a "GNU license" stand in their way?

Oh, of course it wouldn't be immediate. The powers that be must make a show of propriety and adherence to the laws that protect them so well. But slowly they will whittle away at the inconvenient "GNU license" until it doesn't exist anymore, for all practical purposes.

Then, any that try to hide behind the GNU license will be attacked and sued by the "copyright" holders until those people who still wish to be free and run their computers under a free "license" will be forced to write and compile a new OS and put it under a GNU-like license, possibly for the whole cycle to start all over again.

You might think the above wouldn't; couldn't happen; I, however, have absolute faith in our large corporations and their lawyers, and in our government to make it so, should it become necessary (and profitable). These entities have the power, and the government is not going to protect us. If nothing else, the move could be justified for "National Security Interests" so they could have their back doors into our computers and communication.

All this, of course, is presuming that computers as we know them exist by the time this scenario could come to pass. I don't think Micro$oft is in danger of imminent collapse, and Information Technology marches on at an increasingly rapid pace.

Way back when I went to Electronics Tech School (1970), I had the choice between radio and computer sciences, of which I chose the radio branch (which basically covered most things other than digital at that time). Little did I know then that I would have been much better served by going through the computer branch.

[lakersforce]

i highly doubt windows will ever go out.

Just what I was about to say :) (though ever is a looong time)


Plus with the windows 7 being pretty sweet its pretty unlikely.


That seems like a matter of oppinion (I havn't tried it though. But anything that's fresh is sweet, right? Right?!?).

[Sorivenul]

Capitalism being what it is, do you really think that, in view of the massive potential profits to be made on 100s of millions of computers worldwide, that they will let a little thing like a "GNU license" stand in their way?

Oh, of course it wouldn't be immediate. The powers that be must make a show of propriety and adherence to the laws that protect them so well. But slowly they will whittle away at the inconvenient "GNU license" until it doesn't exist anymore, for all practical purposes.
The GNU license is a relatively restrictive license which aims to protect the coder's rights more than the code. Many companies already sell Linux systems, though the cost is mainly for commercial support. It is not illegal to do under the GPL. Novell and RedHat are the big names in this game, and other sometimes less legitimate entities as well.

For a very brief overview of the GPL in court, see here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License#The_GPL_in_court). For more detailed examination, look here (http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20050131065655645). Of note on the Groklaw page, is this site (http://gpl-violations.org/). The GPL will take some time to do away with, if your doomsday theory becomes a reality.

No offense intended. I'm not a legal expert, or a GNU/GPL fanboy, I just like to present more information in threads like this where passing comments can have lasting effects.

Cheers!

[fistfullofroses]

Sure, a malevolent script can be written for distro... but only one at a time.

Most distributions are not binary compatible. Slackware and Ubuntu are about as compatible as FreeBSD and GoboLinux. That is to say: most UNIX-like systems are source compatible. I can take source for a program written in one distribution, not change it, and then compile it on another and have the program work. Thats wonderful and all, but do go thinking that because your write something for one, and the executable runs, that it will run on all.

[zmjjmz]

Sure, a malevolent script can be written for distro... but only one at a time.


two: when it works, it will work more effeciently than anything we've engineered to function thus far, and will for all intensive purposes, render at least all non-classified OS; including linux, obsolete.
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Most distributions are not binary compatible. Slackware and Ubuntu are about as compatible as FreeBSD and GoboLinux. That is to say: most UNIX-like systems are source compatible. I can take source for a program written in one distribution, not change it, and then compile it on another and have the program work. Thats wonderful and all, but do go thinking that because your write something for one, and the executable runs, that it will run on all.

The only dependency a script like that could have would be bash or python, and most distros have both.

[oswaldkelso]

Signed something but I neither know or care if it was an NDA. You can only get a refund if you haven't activated it. Got about £60 back... when they felt like it.

Cool, I'm in the process and have been offered a refund. But not received it yet. So wont count my chickens etc... The Open rights group asked if I'd post the process on their wiki. As you've already been successful would you be so kind. Or email them so they can share. cheers.

http://www.openrightsgroup.org/orgwiki/index.php/Contributing_to_the_Wiki

[CLomax]

Cool, I'm in the process and have been offered a refund. But not received it yet. So wont count my chickens etc... The Open rights group asked if I'd post the process on their wiki. As you've already been successful would you be so kind. Or email them so they can share. cheers.

http://www.openrightsgroup.org/orgwiki/index.php/Contributing_to_the_Wiki

I would love to. Problem is I have no record of my correspondence with MS and I sure as hell can't remember. My information would be of no value since it's very fragmented so to speak. I wish you the best of luck getting through to them though, don't let them tell you no. It is your unquestionable right to receive the refund. They'll give in eventually ;).

[fistfullofroses]

The only dependency a script like that could have would be bash or python, and most distros have both.

True, most distributions of GNU/Linux have both Bash, and Python, but you cannot execute a script affect / without root permissions. As long as people have a clue as to what they are doing, they will not allow something like that to happen. Also, if that script has explicitly stated locations for certain files, it will only work on the distribution family that has those locations.

This is why the Linux Standard Base, and the Linux Hierarchy Standard are both awful creations that ought not exist.

[cardinals_fan]

True, most distributions of GNU/Linux have both Bash, and Python, but you cannot execute a script affect / without root permissions. As long as people have a clue as to what they are doing, they will not allow something like that to happen. Also, if that script has explicitly stated locations for certain files, it will only work on the distribution family that has those locations.

This is why the Linux Standard Base, and the Linux Hierarchy Standard are both awful creations that ought not exist.
1. The argument regarding people who know what they're doing applies to any system. A competent user is in no real danger on Windows, Linux, OS X, BSD, Solaris, or anything else. Ignorant, arrogant, or incompetent users who blindly enter their password are taking a risk on any system. I consider the default 15-minute sudo timeout far more insidious, since a user could unknowingly give a script root permissions.

2. The lack of consistent locations is unlikely to provide any real security, since there are plenty of folders that exist on any Linux system (except maybe Gobo).

[Sorivenul]

I consider the default 15-minute sudo timeout far more insidious, since a user could unknowingly give a script root permissions.
I agree, however, this can be changed easily enough.
On Ubuntu:
sudo visudo
Add "timestamp_timeout=n" to your sudoers file, where n is how long you want your sudo timeout to be in minutes. The top of my /etc/sudoers:
# /etc/sudoers
#
# This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root.
#
# See the man page for details on how to write a sudoers file.
#

Defaults env_reset,timestamp_timeout=1

[fistfullofroses]

1. The argument regarding people who know what they're doing applies to any system. A competent user is in no real danger on Windows, Linux, OS X, BSD, Solaris, or anything else. Ignorant, arrogant, or incompetent users who blindly enter their password are taking a risk on any system. I consider the default 15-minute sudo timeout far more insidious, since a user could unknowingly give a script root permissions.

2. The lack of consistent locations is unlikely to provide any real security, since there are plenty of folders that exist on any Linux system (except maybe Gobo).

You are right, and wrong. Yes the folders exist, this does not mean that the actual executables and config files are all in the same places though. You have to keep that in mind. Also, note that there are many differences in permissions. Ubuntu and Ubuntu derivatives use sudo exclusively to grant root permissions, and root account is disabled. On systems like slackware, you start out in root, and have to create accounts later on... different users can have different permission levels, and so on. The amount of variety makes writing "universal" scripts almost impossible (at least if you want to be truly malevolent). Messing with a user's home account would not be all that difficult if he/she is using GNOME, KDE, or XFCE... but lacking kdesu and other types of tools, what would you do?

[cardinals_fan]

You are right, and wrong. Yes the folders exist, this does not mean that the actual executables and config files are all in the same places though. You have to keep that in mind. Also, note that there are many differences in permissions. Ubuntu and Ubuntu derivatives use sudo exclusively to grant root permissions, and root account is disabled. On systems like slackware, you start out in root, and have to create accounts later on... different users can have different permission levels, and so on. The amount of variety makes writing "universal" scripts almost impossible (at least if you want to be truly malevolent). Messing with a user's home account would not be all that difficult if he/she is using GNOME, KDE, or XFCE... but lacking kdesu and other types of tools, what would you do?
I personally dislike sudo simply because I don't want to allow programs to run as root without root login.

With that said, you are correct. True malevolence is, however, different from profitable malevolence. Simple destruction is very difficult to combat, since most people keep their data in their home directory and far too few make regular backups.

[kaldor]

Microsoft will eventually die off as a major company. It will not die completely though. Give it 50 years. Do you honestly think people will still be running Windows, Macs, or Linux?

I think some totally new OS will replace them all.

[lukjad007]

What will replace Windows when it is dead? With whatever killed it. I don't think that it will die, at least not anytime soon, but I think that it would be replaced by SmallGentle Doors.

[DonaldJ]

My premonitions are usually right-on... Windows dies 14.7 years from now, when microsoft goes bankrupt, because of Linux catching-on globally.. 4-years after the sister internet is launched.. which is exclusively advanced Linux.. A new Internet, called "Fear".. A place for mankind to implement its world wars on and in, without collateral-damage, without expense to the masses, & without bloodshed... "Dare to Enter-Fear"... Make Fear be inoperative with Windows.. and that should extinct microsoft... I have the concepts of 8-weapons for Fear...

Have you noticed that Windows XP & Vista look and run like insane-people created them... It seems that microsoft adds color, lace, and flitter, to an old OS, and sells it for hundreds of dollars per lease as a new operating system.. Thhht!..

Still & all-ways there are those microsoft intentional holes in Windows, which microsoft can exploit at will & whim to destroy any web-connected microsoft OS in the world... I had a little internet "battle" with the creator of Storm-virus... He did things on my desktop that I can't even do.. then when he bored of me, he destroyed my PC's W2000 OS faster than I can blink, and right through the router, the AVS, and the firewall.. like they weren't even there.. is why I switched to Linux, yesterday...

I believe that Storm was created to "nuke" the Internet, when a key-figure in computer operating systems dies...
I believe his plan is born of raw hate, possibly from being weaned too early, for biting a nipple... I got a taste of what he can do to a PC running a windows OS... I suggested he "Get Pullups"... I keyed "get pullups", and a second later W2000 crashed like the power had suddenly failed... That's windows.. Windows is a bully-hacker's target rich paradise... It's that bullying of humanity which will bankrupt microsoft, and will also lead to the Internet being policed, paid-for by us paying per email...
People don't like being bullied, and the wondows project has done it from day one, and progressively state of the art worse now... They've taken their money-sucking crazy eula crap way too far... You still can't download a free w98nor can you find a free Mac 10.2... They both still suckin' pennies out of everything they can... It probably is the "morality" of the investors and the stock holders... It's Money's personality... Money doesn't have a definition of Life in its equation... Money is spending Life faster than the planet can repair and restore... Money is spending us in hell...

Dumping windows, and getting into Linux is like ones first step out of hell...

When I tried to download the Ubuntu image CD, a few days ago, W2000 crashed 4-times in a row, till I changed hd's, then managed to get a copy... Is it a possibility that someone in an "Intel data-collecting" didn't want me to change to Linux..? Why not..?
Oops! the white's house just blocked my IP today...

Given that my emails are being redirected all over the place, by various federal-snoops, all desperate to rob to learn new stuff.. would they have tried to prevent me from switching to Linux because Linux is tougher to snoop in from their antique hate-powered Windows systems..?

"What will take over after windows dies?" Hard to say..? Seems I won't be getting funded no-way no-how...
I have the data to grow PC's from inert element petroleum chemistry ... PC's that are worn on the fore-arm as a skin-graft... This PC grows its own software on demand... Keyboard and mouse are driven by low level alpha and beta in matrix... Hardware keyboard and mouse is obsolete... Thing is that the user must possess a functional mind.. is why it'll never sell... Humanity's mind is devolving...






(word of caution to the wise: this end is Extremely-Dangerous to rv)...

[WA_Garrett]

Yes I hear people complain Windows is crap or something, but if you show them the alternatives like Ubuntu, they just want to stay with Windows.
Personal experience: Some start to use Ubuntu, but most stay with Win after a while.


Try saying that to my mom, she's been using windows for years, I recently nuked her computer when windows was getting terribly slow and infested with malware and reinstalled it, during the process I allocated some HD space for a second partition for and installed Ubuntu on it.

My mom has the choice of booting in either Windows or Ubuntu when she turns on her computer, and she prefers Ubuntu, because she says its faster and works better. \\:D/ All she wanted to do was check her email, put photos from her computer from her camera, write and print out documents, and watch the occasional video, which she does fine in Ubuntu. She always complained that her computer was so slow and thought she had a slow computer, but her computer wasn't half bad, it was just windows. Now she tells me she doesn't even want to hear the word windows.

[DonaldJ]

Windows is all most have ever known...
People are on the Internet daily.. many for most of the day, in work or play... The Internet is a place of learning, 24/7... It's like they are in school, all day and most the night... People should take a little vacation from the Internet school, like for a week... Simply pull the computer's power cord from the wall for a week.. then download the Ubuntu image CD, and get started fresh after a rest, without microsoft clawing at their flesh for measly pennies...

I love-it not seeing that damn "microsoft" and "windows" labels and icons in my face any more... I'll never ever drop back down to Windows crap ever again.. except when I must repair other peoples Windows PC's.. my parent's NP notebook for example... That thing needs a systems restore every three months.. and a complete cleanup every week.. as in: CCleaner, EasyCleaner, RegScrub, Defrag, and DiskCleaner.. and from just a couple minutes on the Net it already has a meg of crap to clean-out... Windows is an "edsel" compared to Linux...

After only 2-days of Ubuntu, I can now compare.. windows is like devolving into using ones tongue as toilet paper, under the prehensile tail... To get a Windows system going, you must deal with all the money sucking Window's software businesses, for various peripheral softwares, too often "leased" to the user only for a year... And by the time you've got a windows system safe and secure, you've spent another $300 over/above the price of the basic windows OS CD, if you were lucky enough to get one with a new PC..? and still a bad webpage, or knowledgeable hacker, can infect the secure windows-OS with nasty e-bugs, running the user in to tons of unwarranted grief and expense... Windows is DATED, is full of intentional exploitable holes, which are repaired only when someone in the knowledgeable public happens to accidentally find one and complains.. windows is slow, dirty, buggy, glitchy, gaudy, cluttered, corporate moralless "morals", it is luxury expensive, unreliable, bullish, user unfriendly, and more thht... Microsoft destroyed about thirty PC OS's, I was repairing, during microsoft-updates, because my IP and data didn't coincide with the registered user's IP and data, for whom I was repairing the PC's, which forced me to format a second time, and go to majorgeeks for all the updates... Microsoft ran me through hundreds of hours of unwarranted grief, just to secure their pennies...

Windows is already dead.. it's just that microsoft doesn't know it yet... It's like the chicken with its head suddenly chopped-off.. it flies around for a minute... Windows is the chicken on the chopping-block... Gates used it up, and sold a dying-horse to the money eaters for big bucks...

[WikipedianMarlith]

Most likely OSX. Linux is more obscure in the non-techie community.

[DonaldJ]

Whatever it is, we need a second internet.. one for all the evils of humanity to be played in.. All the scammers, all the coarse sex porn, all the crime, all the wars, all the political crap, all the religious webpages... Mix it all up with all the religious sites.. then they have their great war between good and evil in the new internet "Fear"...

Make it so the computers that work in "Fear" don't work in the Aquarian Internet... Maybe it will split the human race into the Minds:D, and the Numbs:popcorn:...

[notwen]

OS/2 will rise again. ! Mwahaha

[piousp]

Total Chaos:

by the time windows dies, Microsoft will probably own large network sectors.
Apple will have DRM even for breathing and your ISP will charge you per email sent. We linux users will clon Stallman and he will lead the revolution army, based on the ideals of freedom.
Just after that, we'll find uber-intelligent alien life.

Jokes aside, when windows dies, apple's os will die too. Linux will have to evolve or die too.

[cammin]

Whatever it is, we need a second internet.. one for all the evils of humanity to be played in.. All the scammers, all the coarse sex porn, all the crime, all the wars, all the political crap, all the religious webpages... Mix it all up with all the religious sites.. then they have their great war between good and evil in the new internet "Fear"...

Make it so the computers that work in "Fear" don't work in the Aquarian Internet... Maybe it will split the human race into the Minds:D, and the Numbs:popcorn:...

It already is, you're just on the wrong side of the line.

[Frak]

Windows would only die if something came close enough to take it's place. That place will not be filled by Linux.

[x33a]

i don't think windows is going to die anytime soon. gradually, its market share may decline, but absolute death doesn't seem feasible for a long time, as we will always have a lot of people who think windows = computers and internet explorer = internet :D

[DonaldJ]

Windows would only die if something came close enough to take it's place. That place will not be filled by Linux.


Linux has already "filled that place"... Linux has passed being better than Windows crap... Linux is growing as much as Windows is dying... Linux will have put microsoft in its grave 14.7 years from now...
It has only just begun... Microsoft is History.. like a hateful old-man on his deathbed, gasping, struggling, straining, for every last bit of breath.. desperately holding to a fading hateful life..
He smells hints of the fumes of hell's burning flesh and old rubber... ;)

[C!oud]

Linux has already "filled that place"... Linux has passed being better than Windows crap... Linux is growing as much as Windows is dying... Linux will have put microsoft in its grave 14.7 years from now...
It has only just begun... Microsoft is History.. like a hateful old-man on his deathbed, gasping, struggling, straining, for every last bit of breath.. desperately holding to a fading hateful life..
He smells hints of the fumes of hell's burning flesh and old rubber... ;)

Doubt it

[DonaldJ]

It already is, you're just on the wrong side of the line.



Define: "the line".. detailing "my side", and "your side"...

[Frak]

Linux has already "filled that place"... Linux has passed being better than Windows crap... Linux is growing as much as Windows is dying... Linux will have put microsoft in its grave 14.7 years from now...
It has only just begun... Microsoft is History.. like a hateful old-man on his deathbed, gasping, struggling, straining, for every last bit of breath.. desperately holding to a fading hateful life..
He smells hints of the fumes of hell's burning flesh and old rubber... ;)
Doubt it

[DonaldJ]

i don't think windows is going to die anytime soon. gradually, its market share may decline, but absolute death doesn't seem feasible for a long time, as we will always have a lot of people who think windows = computers and internet explorer = internet :D

You eat something that smells and tasted good.. but what do you make of it..? Just like IE was in the News recently.. there was some noise advising everybody to shut-down IE and OE because of serious holes & faults.. and get themselves accessory download browsers... That's like the mapleleaf meat scare.. and how it shutdown mapleleaf's sales for awhile...
To the average home computer user , IE and OE are now poison... And the infection Will-so spread to Windows being poison too, in the eyes of the majority's mindless masses, who all-ways believe what they are told...

I heard in the News that microsoft browser and email-client are poop...
I haven't heard anything about the problems having been fixed...
I've been using SeaMonkey since it happened...

Every time my PC got slammed by a hacker's bug, IE came up on the screen just before whom ever it was, was about to destroy my PC's OS...
As far as I'm concerned, microsoft and windows is dead, buried, and rotted dry... I've packaged up all my windows CD's into a plastic-bag, and tossed it in the tool shed on the shelf with the weed killers, the fertilizers, and the sheep manure...

Ubuntu has become a free self-installing image CD, which has everything an OS needs, and a lot more features than Windows-#2, Xpee, Vomista, and SevenPoos...

If PC's were sold with the Ubuntu option, included as a free CD.. very soon, microsoft would be begging lawmakers to stop it...
Failing to stop it, microsoft would resort to classic fetal-posture, and licking itself...

Microsoft's bullying has been felt on every street on the planet... Humans don't like being bullied... Humans all-ways get revenge.. like "an elephant never forgets"... Humans can't forget being bullied by microsoft... When it comes time to help microsoft, humanity will turn its back on the Bully... "14.7 years" = The End of Microsoft... Aye-Men!..

[Giant Speck]

Linux has already "filled that place"... Linux has passed being better than Windows crap... Linux is growing as much as Windows is dying... Linux will have put microsoft in its grave 14.7 years from now...
It has only just begun... Microsoft is History.. like a hateful old-man on his deathbed, gasping, struggling, straining, for every last bit of breath.. desperately holding to a fading hateful life..
He smells hints of the fumes of hell's burning flesh and old rubber... ;)

Uh... sure...

[DonaldJ]

CNN News cast, September 11, 2033...

"Microsoft announces it has filed for bankruptcy"...

"Windows is dead... Linux has put Windows in its grave...
Mr, Gates, the founder of Windows, was interviewed, October 2033, quoted saying he knew the company was viable only for another 20-years when he sold it to the group, and that he had warned the buyers that they had to tidy-up the company's bullish-face in the Publics view to make it past the 20-year deadline.. but they ignored his 9/11 warning, and didn't soften their tight eula policies.. they strengthened them, making microcroft even more bullish, ignoring the fact that people like to be treated with respect and kindness, while their pockets are being emptied"...


Who's "preaching"..? Linux IS "Thee alternative to Windows"...

Who's "preaching"..? Windows is a dead horse being force-fed sweet-grain, apples, and carrots... Don't matter what you put into the front end of a horse.. out the back it all comes out in little balls...

What is this thread..? Um.. "What will take over after windows dies?"
Windows is dying.. Linux is taking over... It's good to see the microsoft-bully dying, after all they grief they caused me and millions of others...

It's nice to see Linux coming Alive and growing so fast... Aye-Men!..

[jrusso2]

Linux has already "filled that place"... Linux has passed being better than Windows crap... Linux is growing as much as Windows is dying... Linux will have put microsoft in its grave 14.7 years from now...
It has only just begun... Microsoft is History.. like a hateful old-man on his deathbed, gasping, struggling, straining, for every last bit of breath.. desperately holding to a fading hateful life..
He smells hints of the fumes of hell's burning flesh and old rubber... ;)

Been hearing that since 1998 while Linux continues to be under 1% of the desktop. And Windows? 89% OS X 10%.

Windows use maybe going down since Vista, but OS X grew while Linux barely increased.

What does OS X have that we don't?

Even Mr Shuttleworth wants to make Ubuntu more like OS X.

http://derstandard.at/?url=/?id=3413801

[Frak]

CNN News cast, September 11, 2033...

"Microsoft announces it has filed for bankruptcy"...

"Windows is dead... Linux has put Windows in its grave...
Mr, Gates, the founder of Windows, was interviewed, October 2033, quoted saying he knew the company was viable only for another 20-years when he sold it to the group, and that he had warned the buyers that they had to tidy-up the company's bullish-face in the Publics view to make it past the 20-year deadline.. but they ignored his 9/11 warning, and didn't soften their tight eula policies.. they strengthened them, making microcroft even more bullish, ignoring the fact that people like to be treated with respect and kindness, while their pockets are being emptied"...


Who's "preaching"..? Linux IS "Thee alternative to Windows"...

Who's "preaching"..? Windows is a dead horse being force-fed sweet-grain, apples, and carrots... Don't matter what you put into the front end of a horse.. out the back it all comes out in little balls...

What is this thread..? Um.. "What will take over after windows dies?"
Windows is dying.. Linux is taking over... It's good to see the microsoft-bully dying, after all they grief they caused me and millions of others...

It's nice to see Linux coming Alive and growing so fast... Aye-Men!..
The Onion - America's Finest News Source

[jrusso2]

But the world is supposed to end in 2012? How can we hold on that extra time Linux needs to take over from Windows?

[DonaldJ]

Been hearing that since 1998 while Linux continues to be under 1% of the desktop. And Windows? 89% OS X 10%.



http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=109573

http://www.askwebhosting.com/story/25/IDC_Linux_Server_Growth_is_Nearly_50_Percent_Year-Over-Year.html

http://www.schneier.com/essay-184.html

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=microsoft+is+dying&btnG=Search&meta=

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=microsoft+is+losing+ground+to+linux&btnG=Search&meta=http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=linux+percent+of+world%27s+computers&btnG=Search&meta=

[jrusso2]

Thats funny. Those links are not related to what I was talking about. Maybe you should argue with Mark Shuttleworth since he agrees with me.

[DonaldJ]

We're both wrong, as much as we're both right...

You see it from one angle... I see it from 54 viewpoints...

I'll be back in this thread October 2033, to say "I told you so"...

For now you win the little stickum silver-star...


I see that you do so enjoy getting into a good flame war...
Check-out "cosmicb in femalefirst" if you feel the need to do battle...

And I'll meet you in this thread in 2033, a day after microsoft has filed for bankruptcy...

In the meantime I gotta larn this here Linux thingawhozits... It's a stretch...

[DonaldJ]

But the world is supposed to end in 2012? How can we hold on that extra time Linux needs to take over from Windows?



Actually the world ends 150,000... Near the year 145,730 the last human can be viewed "cracking the marrow out of the bones of the second last"...

You can view it yourself... Simple! Build a tube into the future, and send your most dominant DNA molecule in your body in the tube, your "master molecule", on a little jaunt into the future, to 200,000.. then drift back to 145,800, and progressively apply the brakes till you see movement.. and stop there and watch that gory scene...

World doesn't end in 2012.. It ends 150k... We used it up... We blew it... What we did yesterday and now killed the planet... By 150k the planet can't even support the life of a hardy beetle...

[iKonaK]

After seeing some other reply's i felt the need to change my "testimony":
I don't believe that microsoft windows will or must die, I believe that they need to change the way the do business and pay more attention to what consumers need and want.

[Frak]

We're both wrong, as much as we're both right...

You see it from one angle... I see it from 54 viewpoints...

I'll be back in this thread October 2033, to say "I told you so"...

For now you win the little stickum silver-star...


I see that you do so enjoy getting into a good flame war...
Check-out "cosmicb in femalefirst" if you feel the need to do battle...

And I'll meet you in this thread in 2033, a day after microsoft has filed for bankruptcy...

In the meantime I gotta larn this here Linux thingawhozits... It's a stretch...

I would like your crystal ball and your joint plz.

Actually the world ends 150,000... Near the year 145,730 the last human can be viewed "cracking the marrow out of the bones of the second last"...

You can view it yourself... Simple! Build a tube into the future, and send your most dominant DNA molecule in your body in the tube, your "master molecule", on a little jaunt into the future, to 200,000.. then drift back to 145,800, and progressively apply the brakes till you see movement.. and stop there and watch that gory scene...

World doesn't end in 2012.. It ends 150k... We used it up... We blew it... What we did yesterday and now killed the planet... By 150k the planet can't even support the life of a hardy beetle...

1. This is extremely OT
2. Where are you getting this info?
3. The Earth regrows. It will be here long after we're gone. We are not trying to protect the Earth, we are trying to protect our living environment on the Earth.

[cardinals_fan]

3. The Earth regrows. It will be here long after we're gone. We are not trying to protect the Earth, we are trying to protect our living environment on the Earth.
Thank you for a clear burst of logic, even if it is off-topic logic.

[Frak]

Thank you for a clear burst of logic, even if it is off-topic logic.
Don't worry, I keep my tinfoil hat in my closet at all times, because you never know... ;)

[-kg-]

My former post on this thread was "Conspiracy Theory" class; this one is what I think completely on topic.

I seriously don't think that Windows will die, as in being replaced by an alternative. I seriously think that it will die either as a result of OSes (and the associated "hardware") evolving beyond what is commonly recognized as an "Operating System" or technology evolving beyond the need for an Operating System as we presently know it.

This of course will affect every OS in existence today. I foresee the present day "OS" as going the way of the data punch cards (you remember..."Do Not Fold, Spindle, or Mutilate"...I always wanted to spindle one, but could never figure out how to do it. :p ) of the '60s and the 5 1/4" Floppies of the '70s and '80s

Remember that the computers that were on the space capsules sent to the moon had no "Operating System" as we know them today...they were programmed for what they were to do, then the data was entered into the programs manually. I had a Radio Shack Model 100 laptop in the mid-'80s and remember reading that that little laptop had somewhere around 100 times the computing power of those computers on the moon capsules.

If you think that technology won't advance all that fast, read the following link:

13 new technologies coming to your PC - Analysis: the future of the PC revealed (http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=109126)

It is a rather long read, but absolutely fascinating and very relevant to the survival of the OS as we now know it and how it is going to have to evolve; possibly out of existence to make way for what is required for the hard/soft/wet/quantum/whatever-ware of the future.

[Giant Speck]

But the world is supposed to end in 2012? How can we hold on that extra time Linux needs to take over from Windows?

What if Linux overtaking Windows in 2012 is what causes the end of the world?

[Frak]

What if Linux overtaking Windows in 2012 is what causes the end of the world?
Our secret nuclear file location was found! /dev/null

[jrusso2]

Our secret nuclear file location was found! /dev/null

You guys seem to have zero sense of humor. Especially since this whole thread is silly.

[DonaldJ]

Glad you saw that the thread is in silly... That's "thinktank's pause when it changes gears up one, is when invention happens...

Imagine the monty-python thinktank group, and stoned out of their trees, chatting and laughing and just being silly, whist inventing their next feature flic...

Silly is the point when things start to get good... Watch for it...

Silly is legal... It's fun to get silly, if it doesn't hurt anyone...
Has this silly-thread harmed anyone in any way?.. Is anyone squirming in a pool of blood somewhere because of the content of this silly thread..?

[Frak]

You guys seem to have zero sense of humor. Especially since this whole thread is silly.
If I didn't have a sense of humor, I would have flamed back in many responses.

[-kg-]

You guys seem to have zero sense of humor. Especially since this whole thread is silly.

<drama>

You mean this thread wasn't serious?!

I'm destroyed!

</drama>

:popcorn:

[Giant Speck]

You guys seem to have zero sense of humor. Especially since this whole thread is silly.

http://blog.dreamhost.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/serious.jpg

[DonaldJ]

Claiming this thread isn't serious is a manipulative play by bullies, to swell their chests as much as they believe they've caused hurt to an innocent.. to maintain and enforce their conviction over an opposing conviction.. in which truth defeats lies that must squirm to its last gasp...

Why must people be sour, blank, cold, and somber to be serious..?

I find you can be serious and live what you are doing...

Some schools condition that "serious" is a painful expression and duty..
and that Only After a bout of seriousness is fun and living permitted...

You lost the debate.. Windows IS dying, as several have proved it...
Now your only remaining option to saving face is to try to destroy the opponent... Initially by attempting to fracture the opponent's credibility amongst peer-group.. failing to grasp and even notice, that your peers aren't as stupid as you believed... They see through your assault like it were transparent...

Look closely at the Windows big picture... out and away from the Windows operating systems.. beyond the stock market.. beyond electricity... Look at the way microsoft has treated humanity... Wonder how humanity feels about that...

Now look at Linux.. from its beginning, to its now...

Look how even today microsoft and apple haven't made their obsolete operating systems freely available to the masses who can't afford it, but still want to be included, a part of the evolution of humanity...
Years ago Windows 98se and Mac 10.2 should have been released free to the public, like Linux is... The fact that they haven't be the biggest reason Linux is pushing microsoft into its grave, alive and kicking...
It seem that microsoft has been like a greedy selfish money eating Pig to Humanity... But Humanity found a way to bypass microsoft's bullying, in Linux... It seem that Linux is growing at an accelerated rate, while microsoft decelerates at the same rate... Linux isn't going to just go away, quit, nor be stopped.. Linux is just gonna get bigger and bigger.. and better and better, than Windows, which is on the threshold of being obsolete... It is already.. It's just that the numbs can't see it.. because they don't look at anything but their own rearward-reflections when they're throwing kisses, and sharing love... The public and corporate bullys attempts to destroy this fun thread, because they can't grasp the fun of it, is indicative of the fact that here be proof Windows is dying...

[Greg]

If Microsoft were to die, Google would jump into the game. They'd take a Linux variant, close the source, get their coders to modify it so it's pretty much all point and click, and start selling it on limited hardware at first, until drivers become readily available from it. They have the strength of brand to pull it off, and they have the inclination. They'd dip into the OO.o code and make a desktop version of Google Docs and Spreadsheets.It would soon become like a cross platform Mac- UNIX variant, restrictive, pretty GUI. Sell it for 20 bucks, and they pull in a fortune.

[Frak]

http://blog.dreamhost.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/serious.jpg
http://ramblingrhodes.mu.nu/archives/normal_Internet-SeriousBusiness.jpg

[Giant Speck]

http://ramblingrhodes.mu.nu/archives/normal_Internet-SeriousBusiness.jpg

Oh, no you di-in't!

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/27/seriouscall.jpg

[Frak]

Oh, no you di-in't!

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/27/seriouscall.jpg
http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/internet-24591.jpg

[DonaldJ]

The next major breakthrough in operating-systems will be the search engines implementing a cyber OS, which users can link into, exploit, and save their treasures...

From there will happen attempts at "floating" OS's... The user assembles a cyber OS from sites on the Net.. does his thang, saves his work on media, then crashes the OS...

Both will be spikes in Windows coffin...
I'm even one of the nails in Window's coffin...
Microsoft is history.. and Dated.. Windows is just "an old-man wearing new clothes"... Inside he's dying with cancers, born of insatiable blind greed in Money's feeding-frenzy...

Unsubstantiated facades are but a pretty perfumey coating to hide the excremental-class truth and the facts of the money-world's wrongs.. it worked when humanity was stupid, and bound by modernized slavery.. but now people are beginning to feel the truth, like the blade's cuts.. eventually they'll be seeing it too... That'll be the beginning of Windows suddenly death.. It starts yesterday...

Microsoft is dated by Linux being of truth, honesty, and reality...
Eventually good over-powers evil, just by being itself...
Eventually evil consumes itself, like the snake that ate its own tail... It doesn't realize it is till its last bite...

Watch for a floating Linux OS to crawl out of the ethers... It will be the OS of this PC what's worn on the skin as a skin-graft.. running an orbiting cube OS, called "Sugar".. short for "sugar-cube"... But even that's dated, for me, from what I see in the future... Imagine an OS based upon the design of the solar system.. a multi-dimensional floating orbital OS, powered by thought, with alpha and beta emission as its hardware controls...

[cardinals_fan]

Claiming this thread isn't serious is a manipulative play by bullies, to swell their chests as much as they believe they've caused hurt to an innocent.. to maintain and enforce their conviction over an opposing conviction.. in which truth defeats lies that must squirm to its last gasp...

Why must people be sour, blank, cold, and somber to be serious..?

I find you can be serious and live what you are doing...

Some schools condition that "serious" is a painful expression and duty..
and that Only After a bout of seriousness is fun and living permitted...

You lost the debate.. Windows IS dying, as several have proved it...
Now your only remaining option to saving face is to try to destroy the opponent... Initially by attempting to fracture the opponent's credibility amongst peer-group.. failing to grasp and even notice, that your peers aren't as stupid as you believed... They see through your assault like it were transparent...

Look closely at the Windows big picture... out and away from the Windows operating systems.. beyond the stock market.. beyond electricity... Look at the way microsoft has treated humanity... Wonder how humanity feels about that...

Now look at Linux.. from its beginning, to its now...

Look how even today microsoft and apple haven't made their obsolete operating systems freely available to the masses who can't afford it, but still want to be included, a part of the evolution of humanity...
Years ago Windows 98se and Mac 10.2 should have been released free to the public, like Linux is... The fact that they haven't be the biggest reason Linux is pushing microsoft into its grave, alive and kicking...
It seem that microsoft has been like a greedy selfish money eating Pig to Humanity... But Humanity found a way to bypass microsoft's bullying, in Linux... It seem that Linux is growing at an accelerated rate, while microsoft decelerates at the same rate... Linux isn't going to just go away, quit, nor be stopped.. Linux is just gonna get bigger and bigger.. and better and better, than Windows, which is on the threshold of being obsolete... It is already.. It's just that the numbs can't see it.. because they don't look at anything but their own rearward-reflections when they're throwing kisses, and sharing love... The public and corporate bullys attempts to destroy this fun thread, because they can't grasp the fun of it, is indicative of the fact that here be proof Windows is dying...
This post is epically funny.
The next major breakthrough in operating-systems will be the search engines implementing a cyber OS, which users can link into, exploit, and save their treasures...
If this ever happens, the consumers of the world are so totally screwed that it really won't matter what happens to Microsoft.

Microsoft is dated by Linux being of truth, honesty, and reality...
Eventually good over-powers evil, just by being itself...
Eventually evil consumes itself, like the snake that ate its own tail... It doesn't realize it is till its last bite...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/naive

[Mason Whitaker]

Cloud Computing is probably the most logical thing to take over the Industry once Windows goes extinct. Microsoft could save itself if it started to experiment more with that than it already has, but Google is probably going to achieve the goal before Microsoft even knows what to do with itself, and will probably die.

[L815]

Cloud Computing is probably the most logical thing to take over the Industry once Windows goes extinct. Microsoft could save itself if it started to experiment more with that than it already has, but Google is probably going to achieve the goal before Microsoft even knows what to do with itself, and will probably die.

Cloud computing is a great concept and works most of the time. But, not everyone wants their data at a central server, like one such as googles. Disregarding privacy concerns, I'm much happier creating my own home server than paying for service somewhere else, even if it's free.

Let's also not forget of the increasingly growing rate of intelligent technical peoples as newer generations grow into life. I vouch there will be more home/self sustained servers using the concept of cloud technology, but I don't see these applications going anywhere as far as programs like photoshop, or CAD etc... Desktop power and applications are very useful.

The web is great for data, but it's not good for data processing. Web services were popular, but they are expensive to call and that trend doesn't seem to be as popular as it once was.

For the future, I see PORTABILITY as the major concern for applications, Operating Systems, etc...

I'm just surprised why Mac & Windows haven't taken to the "live cd" concept. I do understand the size of the OS itself is fairly massive, and fitting it all (as it is installed) would be very difficult, but not impossible. Media to day can hold much much more than is required, especially with cheap XGB USB drives out there.

[DonaldJ]

I'm reading, "This thread is funny".. "This thread is silly"... as if silly and funny are things best placed in the toilet...

Silly & Funny are integral facets of the human condition and core.. And it's still legal.. and not totally religious deemed "immoral"...

Silly is the chicken coming to the big city, to cross the road, to show the squirrels it Can be done...

Silly is microsoft believing it is humanity's god, just because it has more money than religion...

Silly is believing that microsoft is immortal, when its death-throws are being heard and felt all around the planet...

[Frak]

Cloud Computing is probably the most logical thing to take over the Industry once Windows goes extinct. Microsoft could save itself if it started to experiment more with that than it already has, but Google is probably going to achieve the goal before Microsoft even knows what to do with itself, and will probably die.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_(operating_system)

[cardinals_fan]

I'm reading, "This thread is funny".. "This thread is silly"... as if silly and funny are things best placed in the toilet...

Silly & Funny are integral facets of the human condition and core.. And it's still legal.. and not totally religious deemed "immoral"...

Silly is the chicken coming to the big city, to cross the road, to show the squirrels it Can be done...

Silly is microsoft believing it is humanity's god, just because it has more money than religion...

Silly is believing that microsoft is immortal, when its death-throws are being heard and felt all around the planet...
I meant the "funny" comment. Your posts sound like the script of a melodramatic soap opera ;)

[Dustin2128]

Do you think, faced with massive competition from UNIX-like systems, microsoft would rebuild thier system from the ground up?

[tommynz1975]

Do you think, faced with massive competition from UNIX-like systems, microsoft would rebuild thier system from the ground up?

If Ms did this long ago insted of adding new buggy code to old buggy code. enough said.


Untill M$ has to sell its paitents namely the one that ties all OTHER software that runs on windows to only be run on windows. Windoze can not die fully..


I can see it now "M$ Eula's go under the hammer to pay rent"
what a maverlous headline.

[cardinals_fan]

Untill M$ has to sell its paitents namely the one that ties all OTHER software that runs on windows to only be run on windows. Windoze can not die fully..

What patent is that?

[Frak]

If Ms did this long ago insted of adding new buggy code to old buggy code. enough said.

You are clearly ignoring NT, which was a from-scratch, rebuild of the kernel and accompanying structures. Vista, too, was a major rewrite of the NT system.

[DonaldJ]

I meant the "funny" comment. Your posts sound like the script of a melodramatic soap opera.


Good point... My experiences with microsoft has been one ten year "melodramatic soap opera" ... Everything about microsoft seems to be a "melodramatic soap opera"... I'm merely going with the flow of the thread's "melodramatic soap opera"...





Do you think, faced with massive competition from UNIX-like systems, microsoft would rebuild their system from the ground up?


I doubt they have it in them to do anything realistic... XP, Vista, and Seven, all look and run like insane people wrote them... The only way they could do anything new now is if they captured some new blood from a university.. and suck out its brains... That's probably how they got NT...





You are clearly ignoring NT, which was a from-scratch, rebuild of the kernel and accompanying structures. Vista, too, was a major rewrite of the NT system.


I'm seeing that evolution as just "cleaning up the mess"...

[cardinals_fan]

Good point... My experiences with microsoft has been one ten year "melodramatic soap opera" ... Everything about microsoft seems to be a "melodramatic soap opera"... I'm merely going with the flow of the thread's "melodramatic soap opera"...
You must have had really bad luck then. There are worse things in the world than monopolistic software companies.

I doubt they have it in them to do anything realistic... XP, Vista, and Seven, all look and run like insane people wrote them... The only way they could do anything new now is if they captured some new blood from a university.. and suck out its brains... That's probably how they got NT...

What are you talking about? Windows has awful defaults, but changing them to something decent is quite easy.

[DonaldJ]

I'm seeing from a set of viewpoints you don't have... It would take me ten years teaching you for you to get a grasp of these viewpoints... It would take me to write a few book volumes in this thread for you to see it how I sees it...

Have you ever had to repair a seriously screwed-up XP, or Vista..?
Microsoft stuff seems to be full of intentional holes, dealt with only after the public finds them and complains... And anyone who has dealt with microsoft's updates, having installed with a duplicate CD of their original, knows that microsoft is a vicious-bully...

I don't sense any honesty nor decency in anything microsoft does... All I see of microsoft is a money-hungry, money-grubbing, blood-sucking parasite, possessed by the demons of a bunch of mindless money-sucking stockholders...
It seems microsoft is void of humanity.. which means that eventually all humanity will reject microsoft... Without the Peoples money microsoft is nothing more than a little puddle of pee on a sidewalk, drying in the summer's sun...



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Quote: "You must have had really bad luck then. There are worse things in the world than monopolistic software companies."


True & true.. But microsoft is running a major-segment of the synthetic reality religion's democracy has the race enslaved in...
Essentially microsoft is just a "big-eater", in the corporate food-chain.. We are its perpetual-meal... Look what happened when the petroleum industry copied microsoft's MO... They broke the back of the global economy, to get in on "their share" of the feeding frenzy... Look what America did to get its share in the feeding frenzy... They broke humanity's spirit...

There's the biological "food-chain".. and there's the corporate image money-based copy of the "food-chain" of the corporate anti-cultural mindless insane world... It is killing the living chain for pennies.. selling-out all life for as much money as it can acquire... Every new second there is less life on this planet than there was a second ago... Microsoft is a major part of what is selling-out life for profit... If this nutcase human-race continues on at this pace on this extinction-trajectory, soon there won't be any life on this dying dead planet... It's all integral... Money must be extincted, before it extincts us... Someone needs to topple the corporate insanity, by pulling out a few of its base crucial bricks... I see Mike-row-soft as nothing but a huge money-sucking vacuum cleaner, scouring the planet, without any definition of life in its corporate equation... I see microsoft going bankrupt 14.7 years from now... I see a lot more, but you won't believe me, having been born into slavery...












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[cardinals_fan]

Have you ever had to repair a seriously screwed-up XP, or Vista..?
No, because I avoid screwing it up in the first place.

I don't sense any honesty nor decency in anything microsoft does... All I see of microsoft is a money-hungry, money-grubbing, blood-sucking parasite, possessed by the demons of a bunch of mindless money-sucking stockholders...
It seems microsoft is void of humanity.. which means that eventually all humanity will reject microsoft... Without the Peoples money microsoft is nothing more than a little puddle of pee on a sidewalk, drying in the summer's sun...
That's what we call a corporation...

[DonaldJ]

No, because I avoid screwing it up in the first place.



Then you obviously don't have an 80-year old mum who runs XP in a HP Media NB for her crazy religious websites, and destroys the OS every month... I could write a book on it... The time I've spent on repairing her PC's I could have built a yacht from scratch...






That's what we call a corporation...


HaH!.. Good-One!..

[loveandequality]

It will be MAC OSX that will take over and Ubuntu will become more like MAC OSX now in market share.

[Frak]

Then you obviously don't have an 80-year old mum who runs XP in a HP Media NB for her crazy religious websites, and destroys the OS every month... I could write a book on it... The time I've spent on repairing her PC's I could have built a yacht from scratch...

I've seen worse. I get things like this all the time.


HaH!.. Good-One!..

He's right. The only social responsibility of a business is to increase profits.

[cardinals_fan]

There's the biological "food-chain".. and there's the corporate image money-based copy of the "food-chain" of the corporate anti-cultural mindless insane world... It is killing the living chain for pennies.. selling-out all life for as much money as it can acquire... Every new second there is less life on this planet than there was a second ago... Microsoft is a major part of what is selling-out life for profit... If this nutcase human-race continues on at this pace on this extinction-trajectory, soon there won't be any life on this dying dead planet... It's all integral... Money must be extincted, before it extincts us... Someone needs to topple the corporate insanity, by pulling out a few of its base crucial bricks... I see Mike-row-soft as nothing but a huge money-sucking vacuum cleaner, scouring the planet, without any definition of life in its corporate equation... I see microsoft going bankrupt 14.7 years from now... I see a lot more, but you won't believe me, having been born into slavery...

"Born into slavery"? I won't get overly political here, but I think the blame lies with the sense of entitlement so pervasive in America today. After all, we're all special winners and nobody is allowed to lose, right? ;)
Then you obviously don't have an 80-year old mum who runs XP in a HP Media NB for her crazy religious websites, and destroys the OS every month... I could write a book on it... The time I've spent on repairing her PC's I could have built a yacht from scratch...

I would hope that you set her up a limited user account. That ought to control the damage.

[DonaldJ]

Apple is only prime for the industries that need state of the art virtual and visual top-end quality... I.E.: the lithography industries, Photo industries, Manufacturing industries, Design related industries... Mac is an industrial computer system, and probably will all-ways be.. but Mac isn't for the general public, even though it tries to be... Mac's public market will dry-up when microsoft is replaced...

Mac will be the one that creates cyber hologram entertaiment rooms..
I.E.: "startrek holodeck"... Mac will forever be Big in new computer technology, all-ways riding along the cutting-edge & the wave-crest, but it will probably drop-out of the PC-market...

To build the "holodeck" Mac needs what I've got... I die in a few years, and takes it all to the grave... They are gonna have a real struggle to do it without me... I doubt they have it in them...

[cardinals_fan]

Apple is only prime for the industries that need state of the art virtual and visual top-end quality... I.E.: the lithography industries, Photo industries, Manufacturing industries, Design related industries... Mac is an industrial computer system, and probably will all-ways be.. but Mac isn't for the general public, even though it tries to be... Mac's public market will dry-up when microsoft is replaced...

Mac will be the one that creates cyber hologram entertaiment rooms..
I.E.: "startrek holodeck"... Mac will forever be Big in new computer technology, all-ways riding along the cutting-edge & the wave-crest, but it will probably drop-out of the PC-market...

To build the "holodeck" Mac needs what I've got... I die in a few years, and takes it all to the grave... They are gonna have a real struggle to do it without me... I doubt they have it in them...
*note: I now assume that you are a skilled satirist and reply only to keep the game going*

Why is Apple any better than Microsoft? They are both for-profit corporations, and Apple has harsher vendor lock-in.

[DonaldJ]

"Born into slavery"? I won't get overly political here, but I think the blame lies with the sense of entitlement so pervasive in America today. After all, we're all special winners and nobody is allowed to lose, right?


I won't comment on that... We don't want WW3&4 here in this thread... We'll save that for "Fear"..





I would hope that you set her up a limited user account. That ought to control the damage.


Dyam! I never thought of that... Brilliant!.. Thanks!..

[DonaldJ]

*note: I now assume that you are a skilled satirist and reply only to keep the game going.


I sees it like it is.. and I says it like I sees it... That's the first time I've been labeled a "satirist", but it fits... All I'm trying to do is wake humanity to the fact that what we are doing is maintaining us on an "extinction-highway... I don't care about humanity.. They're already dead.. I care about the planet and its fauna... I go out into forest to build plastic nests with umbrellas for the birds.. and plant veggie gardens for the critters... Some wild critters approach me to touch me.. some show me their wounds... I bring along a critter first aid kit whenever I jaunt into the forests... Animals feel the love in you... The little wild rabbit in my yard, perks up its ears the moment I thinks to it "There's my little bunny", and it rushes to the back-door for its carrot and timbit...





Why is Apple any better than Microsoft? They are both for-profit corporations, and Apple has harsher vendor lock-in.


Apple needs that security to disable corporate thievery.. which is quite knowledgeable and powerful, even whist being ape-class mindless...
Apple's security probably isn't harsh enough to prevent corporate "morality" from robbing their retail-products...

Apple deals with a whole different ballgame than microsoft... Apple is the royal-structure.. Microsoft stirs the toilet...

[cardinals_fan]

I sees it like it is.. and I says it like I sees it... That's the first time I've been labeled a "satirist", but it fits... All I'm trying to do is wake humanity to the fact that what we are doing is maintaining us on an "extinction-highway... I don't care about humanity.. They're already dead.. I care about the planet and its fauna... I go out into forest to build plastic nests with umbrellas for the birds.. and plant veggie gardens for the critters... Some wild critters approach me to touch me.. some show me their wounds... I bring along a critter first aid kit whenever I jaunt into the forests... Animals feel the love in you... The little wild rabbit in my yard, perks up its ears the moment I thinks to it "There's my little bunny", and it rushes to the back-door for its carrot and timbit...
This is absolutely epic. Do you mind if I put some of this in my signature?

[DonaldJ]

You can use anything I've posted on the Net... It's posted for people to read and use and learn... Everyone else does... The movie industry makes 30% of its movies on my stuff... The cartoon industry is now about 40% my content... The religion industry is freakin' big-time over my stuff... A couple months ago they started teaching my stuff, but they quit that silliness after I warned them that they would only extinct themselves trying to teach my stuff to the conditioned-masses, given that the religious conditioning causes migraines in those who try to process more than 7% of their minds...

[cardinals_fan]

You can use anything I've posted on the Net...
Thank you :D

[swoll1980]

Good point - and I know that a few of us will be looking forward to seeing Yvette Mimieux again.

:popcorn:

When Windows dies it will because the OS as we know it will be extinct - so no one takes over. Small embedded OSs will connect instantly to online apps and data.

I don't get what the point of this would be. Why would I want a computer that wouldn't function w/o an Internet connection. Also What benefit would I get from this, are hard drives of the future incapable of storing an OS, or what? This kind of OS would be great for a cell phone, or palm pilot maybe, but as far as a desktop computer it just wouldn't make sense.

[beyboo]

I'm thinking an initial foot hold of OS X in a few homes, and most buisineses, but linux has the majority of the home market, gradualy gaining buisness users. Does that sound accurate to any of you, or do you think that ReactOS will have a major surge in usage?

Maybe I lack imagination, but don't see a single damn reason for it to die at all !!!

[greg batmarx]

"The only reason I don't like that is because it gives Apple a huge marketshare in terms of hardware, and since we know that hardware is a physical object and is thus recognizable by the archaic minds at the FTC, they'll get something going at them."

This not true!
Hardware industry will never bow down to a small company like apple!
There are giants like acer,HP,Lenovo,Sony,Toshiba,Samsung etc
that -providing the fact that they pay the proper attention to linux -
they can push magnificent machines linux pre-installed!
After all,the open and free nature of gnu/linux and its parametrized character can function it as hardware specified
in a way that never a closed OS can do!
Also the rapid impressive advance of the linux kernel and the graphical interfaces like gnome and KDE is a guarantee that we don't need the closed overpriced copyrighted -virus,trojan,worm,spyware ridden- windows!;)

[CrazyArcher]

This not true!
Hardware industry will never bow down to a small company like apple!
There are giants like acer,HP,Lenovo,Sony,Toshiba,Samsung etc
that -providing the fact that they pay the proper attention to linux - they can push magnificent machines linux pre-installed!
That's right, and besides they already have advantage over AAPL in terms of pricing. If they go for Linux, they can subtract the price paid for Windows license from the total price of the machine, making it even cheaper.

[DonaldJ]

With cyber computer you don't suffer from the Internet war... "virus" and "hacked" aren't part of your equation... And your kids will never know what "e-virus" and "spamware" means...
Your PC is always On, and instant like half a lightning..
State of the art as it gets... And Powerful as H... Your hd's are nitrogen cooled... and if it can be done with a computer, you can do it... You are complete as it gets... But you can't hurt anybody with your powerful leased connection... You screw up just once, and you're out, you're history... You are shoved back to the stone-age and monkeys... Back to your windows, and your apples, and those lovely green screen apples too.. cuz you ain't ever getting on the Internet ever again.. unless you break-in.. or you reincarnate....

You could buy a new 10-grand war-box.. and get you into "Fear"...
But you better be real evil in Fear.. or you gonna get bit, chewedup, and spitout...

Cyber PC's will be a craze for 7-years, before it goes obsolete, like your reflection is...

[Dustin2128]

You are clearly ignoring NT, which was a from-scratch, rebuild of the kernel and accompanying structures. Vista, too, was a major rewrite of the NT system.

true, but the end result was not very good for vista, nor at first for xp/2000. I think the original 9x system worked pretty well as an old 3.1-98 user.

[Frak]

true, but the end result was not very good for vista, nor at first for xp/2000. I think the original 9x system worked pretty well as an old 3.1-98 user.
Though, it was very hardware limited to anything new that came out. Remember that DOS/9x was still using dirty hacks to use everything over the first 900K-or-so bytes of RAM.

[DonaldJ]

Without a cyber-PC core HQ, my skin-graft PC isn't...

I grows 'em in a lab, from inert element petroleum chemistry, created in presence of regulated liquid electricity.. in forcing synthesis of, and in manipulating the formation of extreme high-memory new bioplastic matrices...
I breathed-in the roaming remnant "ghosts" of a few of the ancient deceased pioneer-scientists, by baiting them with an offer they couldn't refuse.. "to again feel Woman's caress"...

You wear these PC's on your inner fore-arm, as a skin-graft...
Keyboard and mouse are beta and alpha emission... You need a fully functional mind to run one.. which is why they'll never sell...
They feed on inerts added into the blood... "Nano petrolbiological plastic nutritive components".. Its OS is based upon a floating, or "cloud" Linux, resembling "extremely evolved defrag"... Is anyone ready for this..?

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stealing is wrong!.. I lose more potential friends to hell this way...