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Maus1231
January 4th, 2009, 07:15 AM
Linux (mostly) noob) here...
trying to set up a wireless connection in kubuntu...using an intel pro/set 4965AGN card...iv tried some how-to sites and so far nothing has worked,

one thing iv tried that hasnt worked is this -->
http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=mac80211&n=howto-mac80211
which is supposed to lead to -->
http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=howto-iwlwifi

the first wget works properly and the file downloads

the next set of commands returns this:

darkwings@D4rkbooK:~$ tar xvf mac80211-10.0.4.tgz
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/GIT
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/debugfs_sta.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/ieee80211.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/debugfs_key.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/sta_info.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/ieee80211_common.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/aes_ccm.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/tkip.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/ieee80211_cfg.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/rc80211_simple.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/ieee80211_rate.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/wep.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/wpa.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/debugfs.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/debugfs.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/ieee80211_ioctl.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/hostapd_ioctl.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/ieee80211_iface.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/Makefile
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/tkip.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/debugfs_key.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/wme.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/debugfs_netdev.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/ieee80211_i.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/ieee80211_led.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/ieee80211_key.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/ieee80211_led.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/wme.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/sta_info.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/michael.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/debugfs_netdev.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/debugfs_sta.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/regdomain.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/ieee80211_cfg.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/ieee80211_sta.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/wpa.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/michael.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/aes_ccm.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/wep.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/Kconfig
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/ieee80211_rate.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/wireless/radiotap.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/wireless/sysfs.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/wireless/wext.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/wireless/core.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/wireless/sysfs.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/wireless/Makefile
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/wireless/core.c
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/wireless/Kconfig
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/include/linux/ieee80211.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/include/linux/nl80211.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/include/linux/wireless.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/include/net/ieee80211_radiotap.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/include/net/mac80211.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/include/net/iw_handler.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/include/net/cfg80211.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/include/net/wireless.h
mac80211-10.0.4/origin/include/net/wext.h
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0011-mac80211-HT-IEEE-802.11n-TX-AMPDU-MLME-implementa.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0020-mac80211-HT-fix-master-mode-net-type.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0030-mac80211-fix-monitor-mode.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0013-mac80211-HT-IEEE-802.11n-block-ack-support.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0094-mac80211-hw-scan-fix-1.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0097-mac80211-ht-agg-teardown-fix.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0095-mac80211-hw-scan-fix-2.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0092-mac80211-sta-hw-scanning.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0021-mac80211-HT-IEEE-802.11n-RX-aggregation-MLME-supp.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0098-mac80211-tasklet_enable-fix.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0024-mac80211-HT-fix-wrong-param-used-for-ieee80211_ht.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0093-mac80211-clean-extra-ie.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0018-mac80211-HT-add-addtional-type-parameter-for-ieee.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0032-mac80211-fix-kernel-panic-during-shutdown-time.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0096-mac80211-workaround-wpa-reassoc.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0022-mac80211-HT-IEEE-802.11n-RX-aggregation-debugfs-s.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0012-mac80211-HT-IEEE-802.11n-debugfs-support.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0019-mac80211-HT-fix-ieee80211_send_addba_resp-interfa.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0027-mac80211-add-802.11h-channel-switch-packet-handling.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0002-mac80211-add-IEEE802.11e-WMM-structures.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0029-mac80211-add-rate-scaling-algorithm-selection-capab.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0031-mac80211-fix-an-printk-warning-for-size_t.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0015-mac80211-HT-add-IEEE-802.11n-qos-queues.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0035-mac802211-fix-send_addba_resp.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0025-mac80211-HT-use-KERN_DEBUG-for-HT-debugging-messa.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0004-mac80211-debugfs-support-for-TSM-and-DLS.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0003-mac80211-IEEE802.11e-WMM-TS-management-and-DLS-supp.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0028-mac80211-fix-compile-error-if-CONFIG_NET_SCHED-unde.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0006-mac80211-add-WE-nick-power-and-txpower-capabilitie.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0017-mac80211-HT-IEEE-802.11n-RX-aggregation-API-and-M.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0007-mac80211-Fix-user-specified-TXPOWER-from-being-over.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0023-mac80211-HT-AP-mode-block-ack-MLME-support.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0010-mac80211-HT-add-TX-AMPDU-MLME-data.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0026-mac80211-rssi-averaging-filter.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0005-mac80211-IEEE802.11e-WMM-misc-fix-and-cleanup.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0016-mac80211-HT-IEEE-802.11n-RX-aggregation-BAR-supor.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0009-mac80211-HT-add-IEEE-802.11n-TX_AMPDU-API.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0034-mac802211-fix-ba-processing.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0033-mac80211-fix-a-msdu-header.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0091-mac80211-fix-hidden-ssid.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0008-mac80211-HT-IEEE_802.11n_TX_AMPDU-send-actframes.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0001-mac80211-Add-basic-IEEE-802.11n-support.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0014-mac80211-HT-IEEE-802.11n-block-ack-debugfs-suppor.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/pending/0090-mac80211-IPv6-fix.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/div_round_up.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/device_rename.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/class_dev_to_dev-wireless.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/post-genlmsg_put.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/post-nla_nul_string.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/ilog2.sh
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/i_private.sh
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/ieee80211_ptr.sh
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/dev_release.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/delayed_work.sh
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/nlmsg_new.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/class_dev_to_dev-wireless-ieee80211_ptr.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/block-cipher.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/seq_open_const.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/tcf_destroy_chain.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/net_sch_fifo.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/fix-qos-sysfs-no-class_dev.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/debugfs_rename.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/nl80211-remove.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/post-nla_binary.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/nlmsg_trim.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/kcompat-delayed_work.h
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/nla_put_flag.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/kcompat-math.h
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/rtnl_notify.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/delayed_work.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/qdisc-api.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/ieee80211_ptr.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/debugfs_create_symlink.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/skb_mac_header.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/nl80211-remove-kconfig.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/kcompat-skb_mac_header.h
mac80211-10.0.4/patches/nla_policy.patch
mac80211-10.0.4/stubs/README
mac80211-10.0.4/scripts/make_change_log
mac80211-10.0.4/scripts/determine_compat
mac80211-10.0.4/scripts/push-to-bughost
mac80211-10.0.4/scripts/patch_kernel_post
mac80211-10.0.4/scripts/generate_modified
mac80211-10.0.4/scripts/patch_kernel
mac80211-10.0.4/scripts/generate_compatible
mac80211-10.0.4/scripts/git-clean-unreachable
mac80211-10.0.4/scripts/generate_origin
mac80211-10.0.4/README
mac80211-10.0.4/TODO
mac80211-10.0.4/CHANGES
mac80211-10.0.4/FILES
mac80211-10.0.4/ORIGIN_FILES
mac80211-10.0.4/Makefile
darkwings@D4rkbooK:~$ mac80211-10.0.4/origin/GIT
bash: mac80211-10.0.4/origin/GIT: Permission denied
darkwings@D4rkbooK:~$ mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/Makefiletar xvf mac80211-10.0.4.tgz
bash: mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/Makefiletar: No such file or directory
darkwings@D4rkbooK:~$ mac80211-10.0.4/origin/GIT
bash: mac80211-10.0.4/origin/GIT: Permission denied
darkwings@D4rkbooK:~$ mac80211-10.0.4/origin/net/mac80211/Makefile



hopefully im not just overlooking something obvious,

thanks in advance

Maus1231
January 4th, 2009, 08:51 AM
Aaaand more info as per the sticky....

laptop-dell xps m1710

lspci/lsusb--

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express PCI Express Root Port (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 01)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 01)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 3 (rev 01)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 01)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 01)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev e1)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 01)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) SATA IDE Controller (rev 01)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 01)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce Go 7950 GTX (rev a1)
03:01.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller
03:01.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 19)
03:01.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter (rev 0a)
03:01.3 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev 05)
09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5752 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02)
0c:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection (rev 61)
darkwings@D4rkbooK:~$ lsusb
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0b97:7762 O2 Micro, Inc. Oz776 SmartCard Reader
Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0b97:7761 O2 Micro, Inc.
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 413c:a005 Dell Computer Corp.
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:c01e Logitech, Inc. MX518 Optical Mouse
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
darkwings@D4rkbooK:~$


ifconfig/iwconfig--

eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:18:8b:dc:e7:9f
inet addr:192.168.1.102 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
inet6 addr: fe80::218:8bff:fedc:e79f/64 Scope:Link
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:42304 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:29277 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:56749419 (54.1 MB) TX bytes:3221090 (3.0 MB)
Interrupt:18

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:34 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:34 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:1700 (1.6 KB) TX bytes:1700 (1.6 KB)

wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:13:e8:57:92:0f
UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:388 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:277 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:92970 (90.7 KB) TX bytes:42971 (41.9 KB)

wmaster0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-13-E8-57-92-0F-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

darkwings@D4rkbooK:~$ iwconfig
lo no wireless extensions.

eth0 no wireless extensions.

wmaster0 no wireless extensions.

wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"" Nickname:""
Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: Not-Associated
Tx-Power=27 dBm
Retry min limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr=2346 B
Power Management:off
Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0
Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0
Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0


lsmod--

Module Size Used by
usbhid 32128 0
hid 38784 1 usbhid
binfmt_misc 12808 1
ipv6 267780 10
af_packet 23812 2
rfcomm 41744 2
l2cap 25728 13 rfcomm
bluetooth 61156 4 rfcomm,l2cap
ppdev 10372 0
acpi_cpufreq 10796 1
cpufreq_conservative 8712 0
cpufreq_stats 7104 0
cpufreq_userspace 5284 0
cpufreq_ondemand 9740 0
cpufreq_powersave 2688 0
freq_table 5536 3 acpi_cpufreq,cpufreq_stats,cpufreq_ondemand
sbs 15112 0
sbshc 7680 1 sbs
container 5632 0
dock 11280 0
iptable_filter 3840 0
ip_tables 14820 1 iptable_filter
x_tables 16132 1 ip_tables
aes_i586 33536 0
dm_crypt 15364 0
dm_mod 62660 1 dm_crypt
arc4 2944 2
ecb 4480 2
blkcipher 8324 1 ecb
sbp2 24072 0
parport_pc 36260 0
lp 12324 0
parport 37832 3 ppdev,parport_pc,lp
joydev 13120 0
snd_hda_intel 344856 1
snd_pcm_oss 42144 0
snd_mixer_oss 17920 1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm 78596 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss
snd_page_alloc 11400 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
snd_hwdep 10500 1 snd_hda_intel
snd_seq_dummy 4868 0
snd_seq_oss 35584 0
iwl4965 105844 0
snd_seq_midi 9376 0
iwlwifi_mac80211 218980 1 iwl4965
snd_rawmidi 25760 1 snd_seq_midi
nvidia 7825536 26
video 19856 8
output 4736 1 video
cfg80211 15112 1 iwlwifi_mac80211
snd_seq_midi_event 8320 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
sdhci 19076 0
i2c_core 24832 1 nvidia
snd_seq 54224 6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_mid i_event
mmc_core 51460 1 sdhci
snd_timer 24836 2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
snd_seq_device 9612 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi ,snd_seq
ac 6916 0
iTCO_wdt 13092 0
iTCO_vendor_support 4868 1 iTCO_wdt
serio_raw 7940 0
intel_agp 25492 0
snd 56996 13 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,sn d_hwdep,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_ seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
wmi_acer 9644 0
button 9232 0
battery 14212 0
agpgart 34760 2 nvidia,intel_agp
dcdbas 9504 0
shpchp 34452 0
pci_hotplug 30880 1 shpchp
soundcore 8800 1 snd
evdev 13056 6
pcspkr 4224 0
psmouse 40336 0
ext3 136840 1
jbd 48404 1 ext3
mbcache 9600 1 ext3
sg 36880 0
sd_mod 30720 3
sr_mod 17956 0
cdrom 37408 1 sr_mod
ata_generic 8324 0
pata_acpi 8320 0
ohci1394 33584 0
ieee1394 93752 2 sbp2,ohci1394
ata_piix 19588 2
ehci_hcd 37900 0
libata 159344 3 ata_generic,pata_acpi,ata_piix
scsi_mod 151436 5 sbp2,sg,sd_mod,sr_mod,libata
tg3 116228 0
uhci_hcd 27024 0
usbcore 146412 4 usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
thermal 16796 0
processor 37384 4 acpi_cpufreq,thermal
fan 5636 0
fbcon 42912 0
tileblit 3456 1 fbcon
font 9472 1 fbcon
bitblit 6784 1 fbcon
softcursor 3072 1 bitblit
fuse 50708 1


sudo lshw -C network--
Hardware Lister (lshw) - B.02.12.01
usage: lshw [-format] [-options ...]
lshw -version

-version print program version (B.02.12.01)

format can be
-html output hardware tree as HTML
-xml output hardware tree as XML
-short output hardware paths
-businfo output bus information

options can be
-class CLASS only show a certain class of hardware
-C CLASS same as '-class CLASS'
-disable TEST disable a test (like pci, isapnp, cpuid, etc. )
-enable TEST enable a test (like pci, isapnp, cpuid, etc. )
-quiet don't display status
-sanitize sanitize output (remove sensitive information like serial numbers, etc.)




iwlist scan--
darkwings@D4rkbooK:~$ iwlist scan
lo Interface doesn't support scanning.

eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning.

wmaster0 Interface doesn't support scanning.

wlan0 No scan results



linux version--
darkwings@D4rkbooK:~$ lsb_release -d
Description: Ubuntu 8.04.1



kernel--
darkwings@D4rkbooK:~$ uname -mr
2.6.24-22-generic i686



and network restart--
darkwings@D4rkbooK:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[sudo] password for darkwings:
* Reconfiguring network interfaces... [ OK ]




hope something in there is helpful.
thanks again

Maus1231
January 4th, 2009, 04:23 PM
Am i doomed to windows????????

Maus1231
January 5th, 2009, 12:37 AM
dont want to call it solved but im going to withdraw my question....unfortunately its back to windows for me, as i have to have functional wifi when i head back to my dorm next week.

The fact that i didnt even get so much as a shrug out of anyone is...irritating....was this really that complicated of a problem?