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sleepingdragon
December 29th, 2008, 04:30 AM
OK. We've all heard the hype of 7 being faster, lighter and even more better than Vista (an easy claim to make). Well, I decided to give it a try and managed to lay my hands on build 7000. I'm using VirtualBox for installation - all the usual odds and ends are configured (net, audio, drives, Guest Additions) as well as a mere 512Mb of RAM and a 30Gb virtual drive allocation.

Let's see if 7 is as light as they're promising...

To allow the casual reader to get to the basics, I'll do the Pros and Cons first, then go back over each one in further detail.

PROS



It's fast.
Memory usage is greatly improved over Vista
Installation is friendly
UAC has been tweaked to be a little more sensible
Initial configuration is useable
Stable (as far as I can tell)


CONS



The desktop is terrible
It's still using a lot of RAM (but not as much as Vista)
Security software (i.e., anti-virus) is still needed
Customisation is still lacking

Start then with the PROS

It's Fast.

Yep, no doubt about that. Without any other apps loading at boot, it will easily do it in 30 seconds. Win 7 seems to aim for the desktop as quickly as possible, then loads other services in afterwards. This isn't a bad thing, but it does skew the times a little when comparing it to the time taken to load a fully-running desktop.

By comparison, I also did a Hardy clean install for comparison in Virtualbox. 7 gets to the desktop quicker (28 secs compared to Hardys' 42), but Hardy loads all of it services in more quickly. For the casual user, 7 appears to win it, but 7 remains sluggish until everything is loaded in, and that can take over a minute. Overall it's a big improvement over Vista and the dev team should be rightly congratulated on it.

Memory usage is greatly improved.

Again, another winner here, but still no top prize. I had 7 running in 315Mb of RAM with no other services. That's quite acceptable, but as we all know, Ubuntu can go far lower. I was, or course, testing a beta. I'm sure MS can drop a few more Mb from that figure, but then again, they haven't added their usual amount of bloat to it - yet. Still, it's better than Vista and there certainly are some improvements. RAM is freed up in a much more prompt manner, and runaway processes are kept in check very well.

Installation is friendly.

Installation was actually rather easy. Just the usual questions about language, username, drive usage, etc., and it all went rather well. It took about 30 minutes - very quick. There's not more I can say about it really, you don't get a lot of info on-screen, but the options were easy to figure out.

UAC is more useable

UAC has backed off a little - thankfully. It can also be modified from never showing up at all right through to "Ask Permissions for absolutely every damn thing they do". Nice to see MS actually listening to their users for once.

Initial configuration is useable

The firewall is set, the desktop is clean, IE is just a click away. Overall, the initial foray into the 7 desktop isn't a nightmare - they've kept it quite minimal and friendly.

It's stable.

For a beta, it's very polished. I have yet to receive one error message, problems are handled gracefully. Intrepid looks bad compared to 7. Hell, even I had to go back to Hardy after the games I had in Intrepid. I used to consider Windows as non-competition; now, I'm not so sure. MS have certainly upped their game. Good stuff, competition is healthy.

Now, for the CONS

The desktop is terrible

Despite the underlying technical merits of 7, the desktop still sucks. There will no doubt be a few more tweaks to it before the RTM version, but if you have *fond* memories of the Fisher Price colour scheme that was bestowed upon XP, then you're going to *love* this. It's still gaudy, the colour palette options to get you away from the default colours are no better, and if there was a way to polish a turd, then MS have found it. Well Done.

Beyond the colour scheme, it gets no better. Options are hidden until you deliberately ask for them (not always a bad thing, but it makes setting up much more frustrating). Windows have a nasty habit of appearing directly behind the focused window - you're trying to set up software and the little info window isn't showing, until you move windows around. Hopefully that's a bug that will be corrected before someone pitches their monitor out of a third-floor window. IT'S REALLY ANNOYING - STOP IT.

If you're used to Vista then the menus are really no different - just faster. You can't find anything, moving things around is something close to stupid and overall you feel isolated from what you're really trying to do. Here's a tip to the MS devs: stop trying to take over the actions of the user. Let them get on with it and provide options in the menus, just like you used to do.

It's still using a lot of RAM

Better than Vista, but 315Mb of RAM trying to look pretty (and without Aero) is a little excessive. When I put AVG on there, this went up to 357Mb. Ouch. Compare that to this machine. I'm typing now in FF3, I also have a text file up and all my services running (including Compiz) - all in 210Mb. 7 could do a lot better, but at least the values are somewhat more realistic than Vista.

Security software is still needed

That same old problem is back. As soon as 7 was installed, I was promptly asked to activate Windows Defender and was also prompted to look online for a compatible anti-virus. The Windows Marketplace for vendors isn't ready yet, so I went ahead and installed AVG (free edition)... 50Mb of download for a damn AV. Disgusting, it really is. AVGs only saving grace was that it installed nicely and worked from the word go - no reset required. So, 7 has already gone through a spyware scan and an AV scan before I can get working - such fond memories... and so the bloat begins.

Customisation is still lacking

You get a choice of folder colours - wallpaper changes are a given (of course). That's it. Oh, you can change the taskbar size... WOW. MS are still getting to grips with this customisation stuff. Perhaps they've come to realise that people like to layout their desktops according to THEIR needs, not to the ideas laid out by MS. They'll get it right one day.

Overall, I'm going to give MS 70% on this. Under the hood there's some really good performance improvements, but the user experience is still terrible.

Just as a few additional extras, here's some weird stuff.

DVDMaker refused to run because there was no DirectX compatible graphics card. I can only assume they wanted to use the GPU to improve video rendering times. Simple games like Solitaire ran like mud for the same reason, it required advanced GPU toys to move the cards (WTF?), the problem was so bad that a simple card game was actually unplayable.

When 7 is loading, there's a glowing icon in the middle of the screen. It's basically the four-colour MS flag with a wobbly aura. Kind of reminds me of the Colorfire screensaver, but more subtle. That is not a good thing to look at/focus on at 3am. It hurts - MS, please stop it. It's actually hard to focus on the damn thing.

wmoore
December 29th, 2008, 04:35 AM
Good write-up - thanks for that!

halovivek
December 29th, 2008, 04:38 AM
check here for more..
Windows 7 beta 1 makes early debut (http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10129334-75.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20)

hotweiss
December 29th, 2008, 04:38 AM
OK. We've all heard the hype of 7 being faster, lighter and even more better than Vista (an easy claim to make). Well, I decided to give it a try and managed to lay my hands on build 7000. I'm using VirtualBox for installation - all the usual odds and ends are configured (net, audio, drives, Guest Additions) as well as a mere 512Mb of RAM and a 30Gb virtual drive allocation.

Let's see if 7 is as light as they're promising...

To allow the casual reader to get to the basics, I'll do the Pros and Cons first, then go back over each one in further detail.

PROS



It's fast.
Memory usage is greatly improved over Vista
Installation is friendly
UAC has been tweaked to be a little more sensible
Initial configuration is useable
Stable (as far as I can tell)


CONS



The desktop is terrible
It's still using a lot of RAM (but not as much as Vista)
Security software (i.e., anti-virus) is still needed
Customisation is still lacking

Start then with the PROS

It's Fast.

Yep, no doubt about that. Without any other apps loading at boot, it will easily do it in 30 seconds. Win 7 seems to aim for the desktop as quickly as possible, then loads other services in afterwards. This isn't a bad thing, but it does skew the times a little when comparing it to the time taken to load a fully-running desktop.

By comparison, I also did a Hardy clean install for comparison in Virtualbox. 7 gets to the desktop quicker (28 secs compared to Hardys' 42), but Hardy loads all of it services in more quickly. For the casual user, 7 appears to win it, but 7 remains sluggish until everything is loaded in, and that can take over a minute. Overall it's a big improvement over Vista and the dev team should be rightly congratulated on it.

Memory usage is greatly improved.

Again, another winner here, but still no top prize. I had 7 running in 315Mb of RAM with no other services. That's quite acceptable, but as we all know, Ubuntu can go far lower. I was, or course, testing a beta. I'm sure MS can drop a few more Mb from that figure, but then again, they haven't added their usual amount of bloat to it - yet. Still, it's better than Vista and there certainly are some improvements. RAM is freed up in a much more prompt manner, and runaway processes are kept in check very well.

Installation is friendly.

Installation was actually rather easy. Just the usual questions about language, username, drive usage, etc., and it all went rather well. It took about 30 minutes - very quick. There's not more I can say about it really, you don't get a lot of info on-screen, but the options were easy to figure out.

UAC is more useable

UAC has backed off a little - thankfully. It can also be modified from never showing up at all right through to "Ask Permissions for absolutely every damn thing they do". Nice to see MS actually listening to their users for once.

Initial configuration is useable

The firewall is set, the desktop is clean, IE is just a click away. Overall, the initial foray into the 7 desktop isn't a nightmare - they've kept it quite minimal and friendly.

It's stable.

For a beta, it's very polished. I have yet to receive one error message, problems are handled gracefully. Intrepid looks bad compared to 7. Hell, even I had to go back to Hardy after the games I had in Intrepid. I used to consider Windows as non-competition; now, I'm not so sure. MS have certainly upped their game. Good stuff, competition is healthy.

Now, for the CONS

The desktop is terrible

Despite the underlying technical merits of 7, the desktop still sucks. There will no doubt be a few more tweaks to it before the RTM version, but if you have *fond* memories of the Fisher Price colour scheme that was bestowed upon XP, then you're going to *love* this. It's still gaudy, the colour palette options to get you away from the default colours are no better, and if there was a way to polish a turd, then MS have found it. Well Done.

Beyond the colour scheme, it gets no better. Options are hidden until you deliberately ask for them (not always a bad thing, but it makes setting up much more frustrating). Windows have a nasty habit of appearing directly behind the focused window - you're trying to set up software and the little info window isn't shown, until you move windows around. Hopefully that's a bug that will be corrected before someone pitches their monitor out of a third-floor window. IT'S REALLY ANNOYING - STOP IT.

If you're used to Vista then the menus are really no different - just faster. You can't find anything, moving things around is something close to stupid and overall you feel isolated from what you're really trying to do. Here's a tip to the MS devs: stop trying to take over the actions of the user. Let them get on with it and provide options in the menus, just like you used to do.

It's still using a lot of RAM

Better than Vista, but 315Mb of RAM trying to look pretty (and without Aero) is a little excessive. When I put AVG on there, this went up to 357Mb. Ouch. Compare that to this machine. I'm typing now in FF3, I also have a text file up and all my services running (including Compiz) - all in 210Mb. 7 could do a lot better, but at least the values are somewhat more realistic than Vista.

Security software is still needed

That same old problem is back. As soon as 7 was installed, I was promptly asked to activate Windows Defender and was also prompted to look online for a compatible anti-virus. The Windows Marketplace for vendors isn't ready yet, so I went ahead and installed AVG (free edition)... 50Mb of download for a damn AV. Disgusting, it really is. AVGs only saving grace was that it installed nicely and worked from the word go - no reset required. So, 7 has already gone through a spyware scan and an AV scan before I can get working - such fond memories... and so the bloat begins.

Customisation is still lacking

You get a choice of folder colours - wallpaper changes are a given (of course). That's it. Oh, you can change the taskbar size... WOW. MS are still getting to grips with this customisation stuff. Perhaps they've come to realise that people like to layout their desktops according to THEIR needs, not to the ideas layed out by MS. They'll get it right one day.

Overall, I'm going to give MS 70% on this. Under the hood there's some really good performance improvements, but the user experience is still terrible.

Just as a few additional extras, here's some weird stuff.

DVDMaker refused to run because there was no DirectX compatible graphics card. I can only assume they wanted to use the GPU to improve video rendering times. Simple games like Solitaire ran like mud for the same reason, it required advanced GPU toys to move the cards (WTF?), the problem was so bad that a simple card game was actually unplayable.

When 7 is loading, there's a glowing icon in the middle of the screen. It's basically the four-colour MS flag with a wobbly aura. Kind of reminds me of the Colorfire screensaver, but more subtle. That is not a good thing to look at/focus on at 3am. It hurts - MS, please stop it. It's actually hard to focus on the damn thing.

As far as DVDMaker is concerned, Vista was also like that. My old notebook had a Intel GMA 900 video card and I could not use DVDMaker because it didn't fulfill all the Aero requirements; although when I bought the notebook it was Vista "certified". I'm sure that Windows 7 will be very nice, but I will keep on using Linux thanks to its' rapidly progressive nature and open source freedoms.

MikeTheC
December 29th, 2008, 04:47 AM
Hmm... So, let's see if I understood correctly.

I should just keep on using Ubuntu.

Ok, I can do that. Thanks!

:)

sleepingdragon
December 29th, 2008, 05:25 AM
As far as DVDMaker is concerned, Vista was also like that. My old notebook had a Intel GMA 900 video card and I could not use DVDMaker because it didn't fulfill all the Aero requirements; although when I bought the notebook it was Vista "certified". I'm sure that Windows 7 will be very nice, but I will keep on using Linux thanks to its' rapidly progressive nature and open source freedoms.

It didn't work on Vista either?! (I never tried). Wow, perhaps they should try the joys of mencoder on the command line... now, I now I've seen that CMD somewhere in Win 7... hold on... oh wait. Nevermind.

quickshade
December 30th, 2008, 06:02 PM
The ugly color thing is because VM-ware can't run directX, which is now required to offload CPU usage to the GPU. (since most PC that will run 7 will have some type of GPU that supports windows graphics.) I installed it as my new main windows OS and it works perfectly fine. I can even change the colors and stuff. I suggest either loading it up on a spare PC or HD and giving it a test.

Overall I'd say that they are at least giving linux a challenge now. They might not be winning, but they are back.

BTW windows cannot provide a virus protection agent by default, because of the anti-trust lawsuits and stuff. It's a weird problem for MS, because they can't really secure the OS anymore without completely breaking a ton of frontend stuff, but they can't provide a nice frontend virus protection agent, because trend micro and norton will put up a shitstorm.

NoSmokingBandit
December 31st, 2008, 02:26 PM
Customisation is still lacking

You get a choice of folder colours - wallpaper changes are a given (of course). That's it. Oh, you can change the taskbar size... WOW. MS are still getting to grips with this customisation stuff. Perhaps they've come to realise that people like to layout their desktops according to THEIR needs, not to the ideas laid out by MS. They'll get it right one day.


Can you really blame MS for this? Look at OSX, all you can do is change from blue to gray and back again. Win7 at least lets you decide on what colors you want for each individual item. Sure, its not as deep as linux customization, but most users dont even want to bother with that kind of customization, they just want the colors to match their wallpaper. I have always thought that MS struck the perfect balance between all-out customization and strict two-option customization. For the average user, it is perfect, and that what MS aims for. Linux distro's aim for people who want to endlessly tinker with their desktop, which is cool, but most people dont want that.

Giant Speck
December 31st, 2008, 05:16 PM
I wonder if WindowBlinds will update to support Windows 7. I hope so.

sleepingdragon
December 31st, 2008, 05:22 PM
Can you really blame MS for this? Look at OSX, all you can do is change from blue to gray and back again. Win7 at least lets you decide on what colors you want for each individual item. Sure, its not as deep as linux customization, but most users dont even want to bother with that kind of customization, they just want the colors to match their wallpaper. I have always thought that MS struck the perfect balance between all-out customization and strict two-option customization. For the average user, it is perfect, and that what MS aims for. Linux distro's aim for people who want to endlessly tinker with their desktop, which is cool, but most people dont want that.

I can see your point, but there will always be a % who want to customise their desktop regardless of their choice of OS. I can see a limited choice of colours in 7 being a minor problem because it will never be enough for some people.

I usually stick to a range of blue(ish) icons for my desktop, so even I limit myself, but I do at least have the choice should I ever want or need it. If a PC can show 16 million+ colours, why can't the folder colours reflect that choice? This isn't rocket science.

NoSmokingBandit
December 31st, 2008, 07:00 PM
I wonder if WindowBlinds will update to support Windows 7. I hope so.

Windowblinds installed fine for me on win7, im just waiting for it to reboot now....
*waits*
Oh, its done. It reboots very quickly, faster than my native install of xp64.
Anyway...
I tired to apply a theme and all it did is revert it to the classic windows theme. This could be for one of 2 reasons though. The VM doesnt work so well in the videocard department so i cant even run the aero theme. Perhaps WB needs full acceleration to work. It could also just not work at all. Im going to try installing it in Parallels and see if i can get aero working in that. Wish me luck!

Giant Speck
December 31st, 2008, 07:02 PM
Windowblinds installed fine for me on win7, im just waiting for it to reboot now....
*waits*
Oh, its done. It reboots very quickly, faster than my native install of xp64.
Anyway...
I tired to apply a theme and all it did is revert it to the classic windows theme. This could be for one of 2 reasons though. The VM doesnt work so well in the videocard department so i cant even run the aero theme. Perhaps WB needs full acceleration to work. It could also just not work at all. Im going to try installing it in Parallels and see if i can get aero working in that. Wish me luck!

Wait wait wait wait wait!

You can access the classic Windows theme on Windows 7?

cmat
December 31st, 2008, 07:06 PM
Wait wait wait wait wait!

You can access the classic Windows theme on Windows 7?

This would be great. :)

I've also had that focus problem on Vista when I was installing tablet software. I thought it froze.

Musick Man
December 31st, 2008, 07:06 PM
Think that you could tell me where you got the Beta from?

It sounds like something that I might want to test out.

Regards,

Musick

NoSmokingBandit
December 31st, 2008, 07:10 PM
Classic theme, yes. Classic taskbar, no.

see:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/canada2113/Picture1-26.jpg

Win7 Beta can be found at "the usual places." Or you could just google it.

TheLions
December 31st, 2008, 09:52 PM
Think that you could tell me where you got the Beta from?

It sounds like something that I might want to test out.

Regards,

Musick

<grins>from warez sites!!!</grins>

Sand & Mercury
January 1st, 2009, 06:04 PM
Classic theme, yes. Classic taskbar, no.
Wat?

Giant Speck
January 1st, 2009, 06:37 PM
wat?

Sweet!

NoSmokingBandit
January 1st, 2009, 07:45 PM
Wat?

Oh, cool. I didnt really look through the options that well, i must admit. I like the new taskbar though, its very fluid and it just feels right. Its like they took the best features of the Dock and Taskbar and meshed them together.

In other news, i have yet to get windowblinds to work. Ill try a native install and see where it gets me.

Giant Speck
January 1st, 2009, 09:36 PM
Oh, cool. I didnt really look through the options that well, i must admit. I like the new taskbar though, its very fluid and it just feels right. Its like they took the best features of the Dock and Taskbar and meshed them together.

In other news, i have yet to get windowblinds to work. Ill try a native install and see where it gets me.

Perhaps it isn't working because of the different taskbar.

The taskbar is completely different from the classic Windows Classic toolbar. What Sand & Mercury did only makes the taskbar look like the original taskbar. It doesn't actually change it back to the original taskbar.

I remember that a Vista-compatible WindowBlinds didn't come out right away and you had to wait a few months before they had a version that could work with Vista.

It'll probably happen with Windows 7 as well, and most likely because of that taskbar.

NoSmokingBandit
January 2nd, 2009, 10:29 PM
^^ You are right. It was fun trying though ;)

For those curious about benchmarks:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3187&tag=nl.e550
Its from an older build, but its still a good read.


This one uses build 7000, but it doesnt go into much detail. Either way, im really impressed.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3236&page=1