Distribution Release: Sabayon Linux 4

[wolfen69]

my favorite live cd is now final! :guitar:

Fabio Erculiani has announced the release of Sabayon Linux 4: "On the behalf of the Sabayon Linux team, we're pleased to announce the immediate availability of Sabayon Linux 4. Bringing a more accessible, easy-to-use and fast way of doing business and home computing in a web 2.0 flavour is what we are going to achieve by the beginning of the new year. Sabayon Linux 4 offers an easy-to-use and attractive desktop coming with thousands of tools and applications, such as effortless connections to any kind of wireless network, web and multimedia applications (Java, Flash player, Google Earth, Picasa), browsers (Firefox, Opera, Konqueror), instant messaging clients (Pidgin, Kopete, aMsn), multimedia and playback tools (Elisa media centre, GeeXboX, VLC, SMPlayer), productivity tools (OpenOffice.org, AbiWord, GNU Calc, Kontact, Adobe Reader). Technically, Sabayon Linux 4 has been completely rebuilt on top of GCC 4.3, for i686 (32-bit) and x86_64 (64-bit) architecture."

see www.distrowatch.com for download details.

[handy]

I'll have to have a look at the new version, I'll download it as soon as it is available on my ISP's mirror (free download that way).

I still use 3.4f to run Cedega / Oblivion on as I couldn't run the 3.5 version, because it wouldn't have a bar of the same machine that 3.4f installed on easier than any other of the many distros that have been on it?

By the way wolfen69 are you any relation to wolfden on the Sabayon forums? :-)

[Edit:] My ISP's server had it, so it is downloading now. I do hope it just installs & doesn't put up a fight this time.

[mips]

Hmm, I got less than one gig left for the month so it will have to wait. Hopefully a mini will be out soon.

[glotz]

Is this really their main website? http://www.sabayonlinux.org/

Looks like total garbage. (even worse than ubuntu's)

[handy]

Is this really their main website? http://www.sabayonlinux.org/

Looks like total garbage. (even worse than ubuntu's)

That's not the bit that matters.

[glotz]

True. Except if I can't find out what's it all about I certainly won't be downloading it. Life's too short.

[Antman]

Downloading it now.

[mips]

Is this really their main website? http://www.sabayonlinux.org/

Looks like total garbage. (even worse than ubuntu's)

I dunno why they changed, there previous site was much nicer?

I think I'm going to give in and download this beast, I'm just worried they do a point release a few days later like they have in the past.

[handy]

True. Except if I can't find out what's it all about I certainly won't be downloading it. Life's too short.

Here is the Sabayon wiki:

http://wiki.sabayonlinux.org/index.php?title=Main_Page

[Antman]

I'm just worried they do a point release a few days later like they have in the past.

From the website regarding this new version:
- Can be upgraded to any 4.x Sabayon releases without a hitch!
So hopefully updating it is a lot smoother than previous versions.

[handy]

It is built ready for KDE 4, upgrades as well apparently, which will probably make you happy mips. ;-)

I'll install Xfce. :-)

[thraxy]

Yeah, I noticed it came out yesterday. Looking forward to a pod version for my flashdrive :)

[mips]

It is built ready for KDE 4, upgrades as well apparently, which will probably make you happy mips. ;-)

I'll install Xfce. :-)

Only problem is they use KDE4.13 which I'm not a fan of. I managed to bork my x86_64 kde4.13 on my desktop and have been using xfce for the last two days and I find it frustrating. It feels much faster than kde 4.13 though. On my laptop however kde4.2beta feels just as fast as xfce and it is an old laptop.

No need to install XFCE in Sabayon as they have already done it for you, comes with v4.4.3
http://forum.sabayonlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=15490

[Sorivenul]

Time for another download.
I've barely touched Sabayon since the 3.4f relese. This should be interesting.

[Antman]

Only problem is they use KDE4.13 which I'm not a fan of.
Well, luckily KDE 3.5.10 is the default KDE in Sabayon4.
Incredible set of ready-to-use applications and Desktop Environments:
- KDE 3.5.10 (Classic mode)
- KDE 4.1.3 (Advanced mode, available through our repositories)
I've been trying out KDE4.13 on my openSUSE 11.1 test machine (uses some 4.2 backported code) and think it has potential. But, I won't start using KDE4 full time until Slackware:KS releases it as its default DE.

[wolfen69]

I dunno why they changed, there previous site was much nicer?

I think I'm going to give in and download this beast, I'm just worried they do a point release a few days later like they have in the past.

just keep it updated and you will have the latest.

[wolfen69]

By the way wolfen69 are you any relation to wolfden on the Sabayon forums?

I'll install Xfce. :-)

no, i can't say i'm related.

i used to use kde 3.5 in sabayon, but i think i'll go with xfce or gnome next time. i despise kde4. i just love how many apps, games, codecs and firmware are included by default. i only run it as a live disc when i want everything plus the kitchen sink. (play time) other than that, i stick with my plain old debian.

[bibleman]

I checked this out only momentarily, but I have given up trying out different distros. I don't have the time it takes to learn a whole new distro, plus I've got Ubuntu 8.10 running just fine on all my machines.

But there is a part of me that wants to try everything. I may give in and install it through Virtualbox...

[MilesRdz]

Downloading now!

[smartboyathome]

I remember trying Sabayon 3.3, and it was slow running on the livecd. Is it any better now?

[handy]

I just burned & put the Sabayon 4 DVD in my test machine, & unfortunately I get the same black screen of death that Sb 3.5 gave me.

I know why this is happening, I have an XFX nVidia 7950GT/512Mb AGP graphic card. This GPU is built for PCI-e & has been grafted onto AGP technology. I spent 20 hours working this out when I initially installed Arch. The trick to get this card to work is to turn OFF AGP in the xorg.conf.

What is intriguing is that Sabayon 3.4f handled this card perfectly, & no other distro/BSD does. Something that makes it even more intriguing is that the Sabayon 3.4f xorg.conf did not turn off AGP, it had no clues as to how it handled the card from hell. It has been suggested that it may have been handled in a module or in the kernel?

So I will have to look at cheat codes for starting Sabayon 4 LiveDVD, which will place limitations on what can be run on the DVD as far as games are concerned. Not that, that really matters as I'm not interested in those games anyway. :-)

The Sabayon site says that there are speed increases in a variety of places.

[handy]

I turned off the proprietary drivers in SB4 & booted up to the black screen of death that way too. :confused:

Anyway, I won't pursue this one to success, as I only use 3.4f for Cedega/Oblivion, & rarely at that.

In reality I'm far keener on a slimmed down installation than one that has everything on it.

At least I didn't use any of my accounts bandwidth, as anything downloaded from my ISP's mirror is not counting against my monthly limit. Which is certainly a useful perk for a distro hopper. :-)

I'll try SB4Live in the iMac sometime when it is not busy.

[wolfen69]

At least I didn't use any of my accounts bandwidth, as anything downloaded from my ISP's mirror is not counting against my monthly limit. Which is certainly a useful perk for a distro hopper. :-)



it must suck having limits on your bandwidth. here in the US, i don't have any limits. :)

one thing i must ask: why not get a different video card if that one gives so much trouble?

[handy]

it must suck having limits on your bandwidth. here in the US, i don't have any limits. :)

I can buy a limitless account but I don't need it really. I have a 40Gb account, plus many distro's & all but Dragonfly, of the BSD's are available for free download. I try to fill up my download limit/month & I'm getting reasonably close at the moment.


one thing i must ask: why not get a different video card if that one gives so much trouble?

The card amply satisfies my needs, & it was more expensive than a PCI-e equivalent, so I'm not too happy about just buying another one because the occasional LiveCD/DVD doesn't work.

I'll hang in there until I loose the motherboard or some wonderfully attractive game comes along, that can be played on the distro's.

I have been contemplating using that rig as a server, but it seems like a waste of too much CPU processing power. I'm in the process of setting that box up as a test for FreeNAS, so I'll soon learn a lot about the demands of the system, & maybe it will be perfect for the job.

I'll have one more fiddle with SB4 & see if I can get it going without spending too much time.

[handy]

SB4 is running on my machine with the graphic card from hell, & it even correctly identifies the card in the nVidia X Server Settings!

I guess I will install it in place of 3.4f, as it will give me a chance to have a look at entropy, which seems like the Sabayon dev's are taking the Gentoo base & giving it the speed benefit of having binary packages in its repos.

[handy]

Well, I ferreted around & made sure all was backed up on SB3.4f. It has a separate /home so I thought I'd give the upgrade a go, I have used it in the past from 3.4e to f & it was trouble free. Upgrading means I don't have to stuff around with Cedega & Oblivion & install my other software.

So it has just turned over 50% of the upgrade, after about 4 hours of work!

At least it should be done by the time I get up tomorrow morning. :-)

[handy]

This morning I continued the install, there were many files that it had found that needed to be deleted for the upgrade, so I said yes to them all. It continued on for a while & then the installer crashed.

I then tried to do a fresh install & the installer crashes quite quickly, which I have repeated in various ways multiple times.

I am thinking now that I shouldn't have made the last attempt that got the SB4 LiveDVD to function on my machine, as it is now going to cost me quite a few hours to get back to where I was before I initially put the LiveDVD in the drive.

Oh well, this is how it goes sometimes. Though I'm happier when it is on a test drive & not on one of my working drives.

[Edit:] I'll wait the 5 more days that I must to have the available space in my account & then download & install Zenwalk in place of Sabayon. With any luck it will be a fine replacement to run Cedega / Oblivion on occasionally.

[gjoellee]

I have been taking a look a the features, and what did I find?

Ext4!

[gjoellee]

That's not the bit that matters.

no it does not, but when I first wanted to try Linux is wanted to take a look at Debian, but the website looked so bad I would not dare to try their distro.

However I find, ubuntu.com as well as archlinux.org very clean

[C!oud]

no it does not, but when I first wanted to try Linux is wanted to take a look at Debian, but the website looked so bad I would not dare to try their distro.

However I find, ubuntu.com as well as archlinux.org very clean

I love the design archlinux.org since it's so easy to switch in between forums or the wiki etc etc. Same goes for most BSD websites too I can't say the same thing for ubuntu.com however.

Otherwise it looks like it might be a great release and hopefully it will work better than 3.5 did for me (didn't even get by the first update without it breaking hell on me) however the DVD just seems to be getting more and more bloated with every release. The only one worth trying is the minimal cd but i don't see anything being offered that isn't already available to my Gentoo install. Get rid of the almost overwhelming amount of programs offered and functionally the main difference left is the use of entropy which I could very well install by installing layman and using portage overlays. Ext4 however is an awesome feature to include but I haven't read much about it.

Thus personally sabayon has lost it's appeal to me but I still think it remains a great distro for people who hate the configuration of Gentoo but aren't concerned about using a very bleeding edge distro that can be subject to occasional breakage. One point that I will concede is that I enjoyed KDE on there even though I'm still not convinced to use it as my full production environment for any of my systems. And of course I always been a fan of their artwork :D (although I still don't understand that short period of obsession with fisher price...)

[handy]

I think the intention of having everything on the LiveDVD was twofold; 1. they made a Live distribution that should be able to cover most people's needs by having so much software on it (kind of like a Knoppix) & 2. it was (still is?) more difficult & dangerous to do world updates in the past, so people tended to live with what they installed maybe with a few additions, until the next version of SB was released.

[detyabozhye]

I was looking for a distro with KDE 3.5 and X11R7.4 and Sabayon was the only one I found (as far as I remember), and even though their artwork is pretty, I found the system not to fit my taste overall. I like my KDE a bit more vanilla. It still looks like a promising distro tho, I'm just not the intented audience.