Is Mojave just Vista sp2 renamed?

[securitynut]

I really haven't heard much on Mojave, but from what i read it's essentially just a giant vista patch. When I saw a commercial for it on TV, I thought "great Bill's at it again with another OS." Did they revamp vista's kernel, or just add more nifty sidebars and more messages that say "are you sure you're sure you want to click ok?"

[Giant Speck]

Mojave was a marketing experiment conducted by Microsoft to convince people who had never used Vista to try Vista by telling them it was a new operating system called Windows Mojave. It's nothing more than a technological version of a blind taste test where, instead of concealing the name of the product, the name of the product is changed.

[damis648]

It doesn't exist. It is just an ad campaign: they show people a false OS called 'Windows Mojave', and they show people the features, but what they do not know is that it is just Windows Vista. Pretty stupid really. See the site (http://mojaveexperiment.com).

[sstusick]

Microsoft is sad.

[securitynut]

Back when vista came out and was getting criticism from almost everyone, the execs at Microsoft probably had a really long meeting about "we really need to boost sales". I guess Mojave is just vista for the uninitiated. I laughed when i saw the other commercial about "I'm a Pc."

[Simian Man]

Here (http://wilshipley.com/blog/2008/07/mojave-experiment-bad-science-bad.html) is a good response to this so called "experiment".

[securitynut]

It looks like Microsoft needs to read up on the scientific method for they do a "experiment."

[Giant Speck]

Observation: The number of Vista users are lower than expected and the number of negative comments about Vista are on the rise.

Analysis: It seems that the reason Vista usage is so low is because people haven't switched from XP because of negative comments they heard about it from friends and family.

Question: Is it possible to convince people to use Vista that have heard negative things in the past about it?

Hypothesis: It is possible to convince people to use Vista by showing them the features of Vista.

Hypothesis Testing: Gather opinions from test subjects about Windows Vista. Then, have them try Vista by saying it is a new operating system called Windows Mojave. Then, when they are satisfied by the features of Vista, tell the test subjects that it is actually Vista that they were using.

Results: In many cases, it was successful to convince people to use Vista regardless of the negative comments they heard about it in the past.

[securitynut]

There was probably some of the Hawthorne effect in play as well. The subjects knew that they were being tested so may have acted or expressed their opinions differently.

[Giant Speck]

There was probably some of the Hawthorne effect in play as well. The subjects knew that they were being tested so may have acted or expressed their opinions differently.

However, I don't really think there is a way to prove (or disprove, for that matter) that the test subjects were acting.

The way I see it is that the Mojave Experiment reinforced the doctrine of "don't knock it until you try it." Regardless of whether some of the test subjects were acting or not, they tried to reinforce the idea that many people who don't like Vista have, in fact, never even tried Vista.

[sstusick]

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[LinuxGuy1234]

Mojave is Vista renamed. It's fake. Trust me.

[BlackLLama]

I really haven't heard much on Mojave, but from what i read it's essentially just a giant vista patch. When I saw a commercial for it on TV, I thought "great Bill's at it again with another OS." Did they revamp vista's kernel, or just add more nifty sidebars and more messages that say "are you sure you're sure you want to click ok?"


windows new OS isn't mojave, but Windows 7, and you are right it really is just a giant vista patch they will charge you for, and no the kernel will not be modified one bit.

its really gonna be windows 6.1 (vista is windows 6.0)

[3rdalbum]

Windows 7 seems to be an attempt to make people excited about flashy new stuff so they might forget about all the stuff in Vista that annoyed them. Windows 7 will not significantly change anything that people complain about in Vista. Nor should it - Vista is fine, the Windows community needs to change.

[tsali]

I actually did a similar experiment on a small scale with my friends and family with SimplyMEPIS linux.

I told them that it was an experiemental "beta" of Windows and I wanted to know what they thought.

They thought it was ok for the most part and thought they could learn to use it if they had to. They didn't use it long enough to discover hardware compatibility issues or other "under the skin issues".

It DID change the way they thought about linux.

Similarly, when I tell folks that I have been using Vista without problems for 2 years, they seem shocked. When I ask those shocked folks how long they had been using it, almost without exception, none HAD used it at all. They were basing their opinions on what they had "heard". They had "heard" that Vista was terrible so they stuck with XP.

I think the Mojave experiment was a pretty good marketing idea. The same idea worked for linux when I tried it.

[donkyhotay]

Of course having this kind of test where you are shown some features but not given the chance to actually really use it doesn't 'prove' anything (though it looks good on an commercial). Thats like having a pepsi/coke blind taste test and being told you can only smell, not actually taste them. Sure it may look 'ok', that doesn't mean it will work the way you want/need.

[tsali]

Of course having this kind of test where you are shown some features but not given the chance to actually really use it doesn't 'prove' anything (though it looks good on an commercial). Thats like having a pepsi/coke blind taste test and being told you can only smell, not actually taste them. Sure it may look 'ok', that doesn't mean it will work the way you want/need.

Sort of like a live CD?

[Mr. Picklesworth]

The "problem" with Windows Vista is that their competitor loves marketing and discovered attack ads.

[Giant Speck]

Sort of like a live CD?

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk122/SpecKtacle/emot-iceburn.gif

[donkyhotay]

Sort of like a live CD?

Yes, continuing with the blind cola test analogy using a live CD is like allowing someone to either smell or carefully sip before actually drinking it. Allowing people a chance to work their way slowly into something new is fine just so long as you don't start advertising '99 out of 100 people prefer our product' when in reality it's '99 out of 100 people think our special sanitized version looks useable'.

[Cope57]

The "problem" with Windows Vista is that their competitor loves marketing and discovered attack ads.

Actually the Windows Vista competitor is Microsoft worst nightmare...
No, it is not Apple, nor is it Linux, but Windows XP.
If Microsoft wanted to have Vista ba a successor to XP, they should have made a operating system better than XP, plain and simple.

Yes it took seven years to get XP where it is now, but does that mean that the consumer needs to go through another seven years to get Vista up to par?
You would think with the billions of dollars Microsoft has for itself, it would create a better operating system, instead of borrowing everybody else's ideas for their innovation.

We will see how much better the next Microsoft OS is going to be... But of course you can almost guarantee the usual delays in release dates... ;)

Upgrade your Microsoft PC to Linux, before you waste more money on a operating system.

[lykwydchykyn]

Mojave was a marketing experiment, not a scientific experiment. Criticising it's scientific veracity is like criticising the historical accuracy of Burger King's outfit. Silly.

I'm not surprised that a new release of Windows has generated criticism. I clearly remember criticism surrounding XP's release, and vaguely remember it during previous Windows releases. What fascinates me is that Vista actually seems to be having real troubles over it. In the past, people grumbled, and you had a few holdouts who claimed the old version was better; but for the most part people bought and it was business as usual. I fully expected that with Vista, in spite of all the negative press I was hearing.

I don't run down Vista because I've never had to use it. But I hear a lot from people about it's problems, and less than 1/3 of the Windows users I know in RL have switched to it. It really kind of boggles my mind to watch Microsoft trip and fall this bad. Surely nobody can put forth that negative press and bad rumors alone are responsible for it?

[tsali]

I don't run down Vista because I've never had to use it. But I hear a lot from people about it's problems, and less than 1/3 of the Windows users I know in RL have switched to it. It really kind of boggles my mind to watch Microsoft trip and fall this bad. Surely nobody can put forth that negative press and bad rumors alone are responsible for it?


The Vista rollout was bungled about as bad as it could have been by Microsoft. Hopefully they've learned something.

They let the development of longhorn drag on until they suddenly woke up and realized "Holy crap! We don't have product to release!" So Vista was pushed out the door more in desperation than anything else. Vendors were not on board with the new driver models and users and administrators were often not even aware that it had an XP compatibility mode. It was stripped of the one longhorn feature that was so promising...a new file system. This brutal excision left it with a hacked, poorly performing file manager/system. SP1 attempted to correct this.

Vista actually IS a fundamentally better system than XP. But it is having to step into a role where its predecessor worked very, very well. Vista has worked exceptionally well for me...on both my desktop and my laptop. UAC is enabled and not nearly as intrusive as the press might have you believe. It hits you up a lot early on, but once you have provided permission for the things you use most often you rarely see it. Reviewers don't use systems long term so they see UAC A LOT during their reviews.

It's somewhat like Apple's launch of OSX. Although Apple managed it somewhat better, it took awhile before everyone got on board with that buggy *nix port, but I doubt you'll find many today who are willing to go back to OS 9.