A Big Thank You to Arnieboy

[curuxz]

I hope the admins don't mind since the Automatix area has been closed, I don't want to argue on a dead issue other than to say as a programer, and long time linux and Ubuntu user (though very new to taking the time to interact on the forums here) I would like to say a big thank you to arnieboy for his script it is proven massively usefull to me in rapid system deployment and while I disagree with his choice to leave development I can understand and respect his fustration that he has fallen victim to someone simply changing the credits to 'fork' a project in my book a fork is change to the code not to the copyright notices and I would ask as a member of the community that we preserve the credits of code so that those who have worked so hard get the credit they are due for helping us all move forward in the true linux spirit.

My greatest of thanks is yours and I wish you well in your future work, I hope these events do not stop you coding for the *Nix platform.

:)

[andril]

Yes, a big thanks to Arnieboy! He made Ubuntu easier for me and provided the forum with his scripts. He made it very easy to understand and helped others when questions were asked. Thanks again! 269 users can't be wrong.:KS

[agger]

Yes, a big thanks to Arnieboy! He made Ubuntu easier for me and provided the forum with his scripts. He made it very easy to understand and helped others when questions were asked. Thanks again! 269 users can't be wrong.:KS

But why was the script taken down? Wasn't it jus released under the GPL? What did I miss?

[erikpiper]

sigh :(

[andril]

My graphical tribute Here (http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=1467&catid=newimages)

[rwood]

this my first and last post.after reading all 108 posts on automatix and using
arnieboys scripts many times with great results.i think there are some peaple
out there that wanted him out of the way so they could steal his work and write
stuff that takes a geek to understand. one that comes to mind is "ubuntugeek"
and his buddies in the crime. there names are all there in the last posts on
automatix. now you gentlemen can play your games and screw us tech. challenged peaple on ubuntu who needed arnieboy. why dont you change the
name then you will have nothing all around the world.
arnieboy should thank you he should be making big bucks with his talent
instead of giving it away.
rwood

[earobinson]

I do not think that any of the issues should be talked about here. They can be dissussed in the many other threads on the topic (Its just getting to hard for me to keep up) All this thread should be fore is I don't want to argue on a dead issue other than to say as a programer, and long time linux and Ubuntu user (though very new to taking the time to interact on the forums here) I would like to say a big thank you to arnieboy

oh ya props arnieboy for eveything he has done for ubuntu

[arnieboy]

Automatix is back again for download (because am getting flooded with too many email requests) in the automatix (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563) thread.
I am not supporting it any more atleast for some time. Please dont ask me any questions for support or whatever. I am not going to answer them.
Hopefully someday I will start supporting automatix again.

[endersshadow]

Dude, you made Ubuntu installation so easy it's not even funny. If it wasn't for you, I probably wouldn't have converted some of my friends to Ubuntu because I wouldn't feel like helping them install it. You're an awesome dude, so thanks a lot.

Oh yeah, and bonus points for the great avatar.

[beerorkid]

I am so glad you have gotten this thread going.
Arnieboy:

Thanks for all of the work you have done to make ubuntu the distro it can be. I had turned on 6 people to automatix, and I can still continue to show more now that you have reposted the file. (could never use the other and feel good about myself)

The ammount of help you gave to people in the longest thread ever was astonishing.

Thanks

[rjwood]

You're proving yourself to be a person of good, strong character arnieboy. Perserverence is a great asset.

[curuxz]

THANKS!!! You put the download back up (dances for joy). Last night i kept going over and over the install for the 'other' one and something is realy wrong with it as I could never get past java install, thats not a support request far from it, just saying your version remains the best ! :D

[xavierh]

Automatix is back again for download (because am getting flooded with too many email requests) in the automatix (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563) thread.
I am not supporting it any more atleast for some time. Please dont ask me any questions for support or whatever. I am not going to answer them.
Hopefully someday I will start supporting automatix again.

I was having problems sleeping becaue I could not find the script!!!. Thanks man for putting it back....My wife (and her DELL C400) and me thank you for your efforts in making ubuntu easier for the average Joe.

If you ever consider getting back into supporting it and updating it, rest assure that you will have me as a loyal user.

I was using Mandrake since version 9.0 and I do not think that I accomplish the same level of "configuration nirvana" in 2 years as I did with automatix with a few mouse clicks on both my desktop and my wife's laptop....

To whoemever else is readying this that can do something about it....PLEASE BRING ARNIE BACK!!!

[4linux]

Automatix is back again for download (because am getting flooded with too many email requests) in the automatix (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563) thread.
I am not supporting it any more atleast for some time. Please dont ask me any questions for support or whatever. I am not going to answer them.
Hopefully someday I will start supporting automatix again.

Thanks arnieboy. We appreciate it very much!

-Pat

[basketcase]

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!

gotta dl it and burn it to a disk!

[sudokubuntu]

yeah, thanks arnieboy. I'm a noob and I became an instant fan of Automatix.
Then after some days of using ubuntu it was suddenly gone:confused: ..
But fortunately, it's up again now.
Got some bad vibes from that easybreezy.

Thanks man. :cool:

[LoclynGrey]

Ups 2 Arnieboy, Automatrix makes ubuntu life easier to understand.

[andril]

Fan Boys/Gals unit Arnieboy & Automatix are back!!!!!!! :KS I knew that they couldn't keep a good programmer down. The app should be called the Pheonix for it's rise!

[arnieboy]

I would like to tell u guys who have been supportive of this effort of mine that Automatix is not dead. I am merely taking some time off but I will come back and Automatix will advance at the same pace that it was earlier.

[curuxz]

Glad to hear :)

[captainpotato]

Arnieboy, here's another vote of support for you. My machine's been completely different since upgrading to Breezy and using Automatix - so much so that I will be able to hold off upgrading it for some time.

At least Automatix hasn't gone the way your avatar did... even if some of your earlier posts suggested that was the case.

[xavierh]

I would like to tell u guys who have been supportive of this effort of mine that Automatix is not dead. I am merely taking some time off but I will come back and Automatix will advance at the same pace that it was earlier.


MERRY CHRISTMAS ARNIE!!! thank you for coming back amigo!!!

[arnieboy]

MERRY CHRISTMAS ARNIE!!! thank you for coming back amigo!!!
Merry christmas to u too xavierh :)

[ed_d]

Im so glad I just did a search after my last post. Man you will make my life so much better now that you are back. You need anything, ask..

Happy hoildays to you. You just gave me a great gift.

Ed

[joplass]

yup,
thanks for the great work arnieboy. maybe you don't know yourself the impact that automatix continues to have on ubuntu users. i hope this tool doesn't just disappear it could be a huge setback for me and others.
good luck to all your future *NIX projects.

[Qrk]

I call for a round of

"For he's a Jolly good Fellow"

[poofyhairguy]

I would like to tell u guys who have been supportive of this effort of mine that Automatix is not dead. I am merely taking some time off but I will come back and Automatix will advance at the same pace that it was earlier.

Take a long break. You deserve it.

[poofyhairguy]

one that comes to mind is "ubuntugeek"
and his buddies in the crime.


Ubuntu-Geek pays for the forum's bandwidth and does his best to balance the many different interests on the forums. I PROMISE you that the "attack" on Arnie and his software was not the work of Ubuntu-Geek. If anything it was Geek that had to clean up the mess of others.

[arnieboy]

Yes, to clear up all misconceptions, Ubuntu-geek was extremely supportive about the Automatix project and my effort and still remains so.
I had asked rwood to edit his post to clear up any wrong notions. It appears he has not done so yet, but it would be nice if he does it ASAP.
Thanks for all the support from all u guys, again. :)

[scruffy]

I call for a round of

"For he's a Jolly good Fellow"

"And so say all of us!"

Automatix just works! Thats the phrase arnieboy uses, well it does and its made moving to linux/ubuntu so easy. Everythings there, Im new to linux/ubuntu but this utility/software has made it so easy for me!

"Thanks again, and so say all of us!" :D

All the best

Scruffy

[M3ta7h3ad]

*snip*Thanks again! 269 users can't be wrong.:KS

Yeah... when compared against the (possible) thousands of users who thought it could have been improved and when posted suggestions, got their posts deleted and accused of insulting the man by a complete **** of an admin. :rolleyes:

All I can say is thank god for the Community Council. Lets see what they say about it :)

Just to clarify the above post is more of a dig at how a certain admin handled the situation, it isnt "against" arnieboy. He has made a useful script :) (thanks arnieboy!) Just his actions and assumptions led to me having about the worst welcome to any forum in the history of my internet life.

[arnieboy]

just to clarify:
its not just 269 users.. the number is in tens of thousands (possibly more) who use and appreciate automatix. I have never taken any criticism in the wrong spirit except when it became patronizing and villifying. Please try to get the facts right and understand what really happened.
Automatix reached the stage of excellence purely because of constructive criticism and bug testing and consolidated efforts.
None of the admins did what they should not have done. Everything was done to keep trouble makers away.
If u had a bad experience on the forums, because of automatix, well I am sorry to hear that. maybe u shd have come to the forums a little earlier, when Automatix was GPL-ed and everyone was bz telling me how to improve it, and I was releasing a new version of it almost every day.. thats how quick its dev process was. What ended it all (atleast for some time) was a freakish attempt by someone to hijack the work on some completely baseless claims and put his name into it on the excuse of it being GPL-ed.
That, my friend was not in the true spirit of ubuntu or GPL or open source.
If u kindly read through the 1000 odd posts on the thread with the highest number of views in the history of ubuntuforums, u will realize that lots of people were already posting links to their automatix forks long before this "attack" on automatix was made and forced it to become proprietary. I was never closed to the concept of forking automatix nor was I so outwardly possessive of it, that it could never be forked.

If anybody wanted to fork, he should have approached me with a plan of how he intended to do it, not just sent me an email saying: "Those are bugs (when they werent anything close to the definition of a bug) and I have changed 3 lines and put my name in it and released it and called it "safe-automatix" ". This seemed to suggest that all that I had done till date was unsafe (which thousands of users had used and already appreciated) and that he was there to correct it all with his expertise.. No permissions, no verifications, just a simple attempt to hijack this work, give it a bad name and gain some publicity. Thats what really set me off.

This is what misinformed new ubunteros dont understand and they blame whoever they feel like. I would be much more appreciatve if the situation was correctly gauged before such comments are passed for public reading.

I know that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.. but then I always hated flattery and loved constructive criticism and appreciation..

[arnieboy]

also, its important that new users of ubuntu understand what is NOT wrong about using root to do your job in the correct way. Please read the following post that I had posted elsewhere:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=562870&postcount=33

The usage of root in automatix faced criticism from around 10-20 users (not thousands) who had a wrong notion about the usage of root and why it should be used at times.

[agger]

just to clarify:
its not just 269 users.. the number is in tens of thousands (possibly more) who use and appreciate automatix. I have never taken any criticism in the wrong spirit except when it became patronizing and villifying. Please try to get the facts right and understand what really happened.
Automatix reached the stage of excellence purely because of constructive criticism and bug testing and consolidated efforts.
None of the admins did what they should not have done. Everything was done to keep trouble makers away.


Sigh! Several moderators abused their positions to silence legitimate concerns about possible GPL violations, and about the way these forums are run. Some moderators in several occasions behaved in ways that are not compatible with the Ubuntu code of conduct.

I have no intention of restarting this war, but we could use some public recognition of this fact. Ubuntu-geek and KiwiNZ have made terrific statements in this regard. Your stubborn perseverance is, on the other hand, not very helpful.

[endersshadow]

also, its important that new users of ubuntu understand what is NOT wrong about using root to do your job in the correct way. Please read the following post that I had posted elsewhere:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=562870&postcount=33

The usage of root in automatix faced criticism from around 10-20 users (not thousands) who had a wrong notion about the usage of root and why it should be used at times.

I think that this is a common myth in Ubuntu: That root is bad. In fact, in many cases, su root may be better than sudo. However, I do see a lot of "root is insecure" for no other reason than that it is root. What is insecure is if you leave root logged in for any given time unattended. This is one of the advantages that su has over sudo, is that you're explicitly aware of when you're using root and when you aren't. Unless you do a sudo -k after each sudo command, you've got no room to complain about root. Moreover, it's a good idea to set your root password as a different password than your user password. That way, if you're compromised, you can still recover data.

Okay, sorry for that rant, but I just get upset when people do stuff maliciously to good people based on awfully ignorant knowledge. At any rate, thanks for Automatix, dude. I'll send you some more options for it once you restart dev.

[arnieboy]

Every moderator and admin acted in the true spirit of the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. Nobody was an exception, ever.
Nobody tried to violate GPL here. The Automatix license was made to keep a small group of people away, who only wanted to exploit GPL to earn a name for themselves.
The Automatix license in itself was far from restrictive. It was still open source and anybody could make a fork out of Automatix, provided he had my permission which really (in those few days of the license) never ever stopped anyone from going ahead with a fork. The individual/group who tried to hijack my work did it when Automatix was GPL-ed.

[arnieboy]

I think that this is a common myth in Ubuntu: That root is bad. In fact, in many cases, su root may be better than sudo. However, I do see a lot of "root is insecure" for no other reason than that it is root. What is insecure is if you leave root logged in for any given time unattended. This is one of the advantages that su has over sudo, is that you're explicitly aware of when you're using root and when you aren't. Unless you do a sudo -k after each sudo command, you've got no room to complain about root. Moreover, it's a good idea to set your root password as a different password than your user password. That way, if you're compromised, you can still recover data.

Okay, sorry for that rant, but I just get upset when people do stuff maliciously to good people based on awfully ignorant knowledge. At any rate, thanks for Automatix, dude. I'll send you some more options for it once you restart dev.
Thanks endersshadow, I will look forward to your suggestions as I will of all other users of Automatix. Thanks again for the understanding and support.

[agger]

Every moderator and admin acted in the true spirit of the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. Nobody was an exception, ever.
Nobody tried to violate GPL here. The Automatix license was made to keep a small group of people away, who only wanted to exploit GPL to earn a name for themselves.

One word: Denial.

I'm not going to pursue this further, but a little bit of public recognition of people's own part in the problems might be helpful:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=101281

[arnieboy]

I am not bound to agree with every word that every admin says. If one admin felt that there was an inconsistency in the way the automatix issue was handled, he is entitled to his opinion.
I am entitled to my opinion that it was handled correctly and in the correct spirit of Ubuntu.
I still maintain that all admins and mods on this forum did things exactly the way they should have been done.

[M3ta7h3ad]

Every moderator and admin acted in the true spirit of the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. Nobody was an exception, ever.


I have PM's in my inbox contrary to that fact, and as such they have been submitted into the investigation by the CC of the Admins and moderators involved.

If you consider highlighting a few things that could (and were done thankfully [and yes its down to arnieboy that they were done :)) be done to just slightly improve the program a personal attack then more fool you.

I am not here to argue against licences.. pah I dont even have a head for legal schenangians. But I do not appreciate being accused of personally attacking a member of the forums, when that person should be in posession of PM's and also the unedited version of the thread shows that in all cases I was telling that person otherwise, by an admin on a powertrip (which is how I percieved it).

Still... no dead horse beating now. It was a good idea arnieboy, and I believe the forking of your code into that "easybreezy" crap was childish as hell on their part. It was an appreciated program, even on my part (despite having errors due to it, it helped me more than it hindered me I must say).

Great program!, just a damn shame the controversy surrounding it, and that innocent people (i.e. myself) got mud slung at them which was undeserved.

[erikpiper]

I have a request and figured I wouldnt make a new thread for it.
Can someone PM me the last real automatix? WITH the root? I also could use the firefox 1.5 installer- none of the download links I found work :(

It is an exelent script!

I love the distro, but now hate the community staff. They are horrible....


Thanks all ye smart people!

[arnieboy]

Still... no dead horse beating now. It was a good idea arnieboy, and I believe the forking of your code into that "easybreezy" crap was childish as hell on their part. It was an appreciated program, even on my part (despite having errors due to it, it helped me more than it hindered me I must say).

Great program!, just a damn shame the controversy surrounding it, and that innocent people (i.e. myself) got mud slung at them which was undeserved.
Two things that I have to say in regard to these words:
1) if u had any problems after using automatix, you should have posted a polite message explaining to me what the problem was and chances would have been extremely high that I would have taken my time off to actually sit with you and resolve the issues. I have done that with many other people and there was no reason why I would not have done it with you. Most of the problems that these people faced were because of doings of their own design and not automatix and when they realized that, they thanked me and encouraged me to go on working with Automatix.

2) I am truly sorry that mud was slung in your face because of this issue. Its possible that if you had stayed out of the controversy instead of unnecessarily getting embroiled in it, you would not have faced any such problem.

[arnieboy]

Can someone PM me the last real automatix? WITH the root?
The last version of Automatix is on for download in the main automatix thread.

[KiwiNZ]

To metalhead, agger and arnieboy

I dont believe it will help anyone to revisit this issue hear. Yes there were mistakes made on all sides. However great progress has been made and we are moving forward.
May I respectfully ask that if there is outstanding issues could you please post these in the Resolution forum and they will be addressed.

Thanking you all in advance

[erikpiper]

NM- A firefox restart fixed it.

I am installing 1.5 anyway :p

[andril]

Automatix = a better Ubuntu box

But I must agree with Agger, there are alot of abuse & misuse of the forum going on. see what happens (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=100509) when you point out the issues. I am glad that all users are able to speak about Automatix and Arnieboy has the time to share his talent.